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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Kiwicol on Thursday 29 July 10 01:33 BST (UK)
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From 1836 - 1839 James Whitaker was signing as a witness to land transactions in the W(h)angaroa district, a James Witaker was also mentioned as being at Korororika in 1837, one of about seven Pakehas, (not sure if he is the man at Whanagroa)
Papers past has the details of the stabbing of James Whitaker an old sawyer at Wangaroa in 1863, and murder of his friend.
Papers past also mentions how his half caste daughter in 1866 on hearing he had died went to Wangaroa by boat and was taken prisoner from the boat, ransomed by the boat's captain, and almost kidnapped again.
The IGI (member submission with no contact deatils) lists five children to James at Whangaroa, 4 in 1848 and one in 1854, would any one know where these entries could have come from, the only NZ reg general births seem to be for the children of Frederick Alexander Whitaker, later knighted and a govt minster. He seems to crop up whenever I search fro James, but could an old sawyer in the bush be related to the Govt Minister.
Hoping some one on here can point me to where more information on James can be found, and why his death was not registered?
Thanks Colin
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Hi Colin
if the children were part maori, his wife was maori, registration was not necessary/compulsory so hence not on the NZ BMD historical database.
Member submissions to LDS can not always be traced back, if you look at record source it sometimes tell you, it would not mean they were related.
Bye
Althea
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Hi Colin
James Whitaker died 14 Feb 1866 (aged 66 years) of "natural decay" at Onewhero, Whangaroa. Whitaker was my 3 x great-grandfather, I have a copy of the death certificate, and not sure why his death was unregistered. He was buried at Okura or Otakura Cemetery. His 'wife' (though I've found no record of their marriage) was Peti Hineraro (or Hinereru etc) aka Betty Whitaker, daughter of Waikato Chief (later Maori King) Potatau Te Wherowhero. They had 7 children that I know of, and there is reference made to Peti's step-son Richard Whitaker; therefore James was probably married prior to immigrating. James was a shipwright and sawyer at Whangaroa.
Their eldest four children: John, Jane, Margaret and Ellen Whitaker were all baptised at Kaitaia by Rev. Joseph Mathews on 6th Nov 1848. In 1854 was daughter Isabella. I'm not aware who the IGI member is who submitted these details. There were at least two other children, William born in 1856 (m 2 xg-grandfather) and Elizabeth.
There was a legend passed down through the family that James was related to Sir Frederick Whitaker, some time Premier of New Zealand (either a brother or half-brother) which is now proved impossible (Fred's father born in 1787). I haven't been able to find a relationship to Fred's Bampton (Oxford) Whitaker's, and from the X marked signings James Whitaker made at the land transactions he witnessed, I presume he was illiterate and not from the same family.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Marcus
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Welcome Marcus
Hopefully Colin will spot your message soon
Once you have made 2 more posts you will be able to use the PM messaging system and exchange emails etc
Bye
Althea
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Hi Marcus!
Great to see you on here - I am helping James Whittaker's 3rd great Grandchild with his family tree research - you guys must be the same generation. Colin is doing great guns with helping us too. The line I have been trying to flesh out is descended from James' daughter Isabella's line. I would love to see your info on the Maori line - I have been chatting with a very nice lady called Lynette who has the details of that side too. Where in the world are you based? We are here in the Waitakere.
Cheers,
;D
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Hi Kiwi Girl
Thanks for post :)
I would like to get in touch with Colin one of our whanau. I should be able to use the messaging/email system now!
Are you talking with (*)? She is great-granddaughter of Jane Whitaker (Mrs. Charles William Coleman) eldest daughter of James and Peti Hineraro. I have most of my information on the Coleman and Bickerton lines from Lynnette (aka: Huia). I have been researching the Potatau Te Wherowhero and Peti's mother Ngawaero lines and can send more info.
I am on the Central Coast of NSW Australia - born and bred in Taranaki 8)
Best wishes
Marcus
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Colin is over in Oz too! so much for me baking goodies and perusing your paper trail ;)
My friend Shane, who's line I'm helping him trace will be thrilled to hear we've unearthed another relation :D I doubt I can add much to your tree unless you were looking for some of Isabella's line :)
The Maori line is the one I am most intrigued with - but have the least info on so far.
:D
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Hi ;D
I would like to know more of Isabella's line - I have the 9 children but am not sure if they are in the correct order:
1. Lewis Bickerton [m: had issue]; 2. Harold William Bickerton (1877/8-1964) [m Mabel: had issue]; 3. Priscilla Mary Hoskin Bickerton (1878/9-1944) [Mrs. Harold Lionel Nicolson: 5 issue]; 4. Jane (Jennie) Bickerton [m with issue]; 5. Amy Victoria Isabella (Poppy) Bickerton (1882-1944) [m her first cousin Harold Richard Coleman (1884-1972): 4 daughters]; 6. Walter South Bickerton (1883-1938) [m 1 ?; m 2 his brother Charles' widow, Valentine Gertie Simkin Bickerton: 3 daughters]; 7. Charles Bickerton (1885/6-1918) [m Valentine Gertie Simkin: 3 sons]; 8. Leopold D. (Leo) Bickerton (1890/1-1930) [m with issue]; 9. Sydney John (Syd) Bickerton (1891/2-1949) [m Gladys: 2 sons].
Would like to know any details I do not have and living relatives I can contact?
Next time I'm in N.Z. I will definitely pop over for some of your delicious baking ;)
Thanks
Marcus
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Howdy - have sent you what I have and included my friend's email. You'd be cousins ;)
No doubt Colin will have some goodies too.
:D
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G'day
Where did Richard live and die?
I reckon that kiwigirl needs to drive over an see (*), to see what she has to tie in Peti to Te Whero whero.
Take some of that good sounding baking with you.
Any ideas on what became of Ellen, Margaret, and John?
There was a "half caste" Ellen Whitaker and another or the same Ellen Whitaker, who got into the newspapers a fair bit.
I feel that there is no connection with Sir Frederick
What are birth and death dates for Peti?
Where were all of James Whitaker's children in 1862, when he was stabbed?
Isabella, and William at least were under 10
Why the big gap in births between 1848 and 1854/1856?
Is it possible james had more than one wife?
Or did other children die between missionaries visits so have faded away into past?
Cheers Colin
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Marcus please get in touch
thank Colin
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Howdy,
There is a lovely chap who is taking photos of the Whanagroa area - is that where James is buried? Any idea of which graveyard?
Are you both well?
:D
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Greetings to all. My name is Andrew Russell Cameron Quinn I am the son of Pamela Quinn NEE Coleman and she is the daugther of Raymond Sidney Coleman and he is the son of Alfred Coleman and Sarah Coleman Nee Cameron and he is the son of Charles William Coleman and Jane Coleman NEE Whittaker and she is the daughter of James Whittaker and grandson of Frederick Whittaker. Im so glad to have found this site.
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Hi Marcus,
Isabella Whittaker is my 4 x great-grandmother. I have a print out of her death certificate, her name having two ts rather than one on the print out. She is supposedly buried at Purewa but online there are no records of her burial. She married Lewis Davis Bickerton when she was 17 in Napier (around 1871).
The print out says Isabella's parents were James Whittaker and Betty Hineraria.
You've said that you have a copy of James' death certificate, I wonder if you could scan me a copy?
Also, I have no documentation regarding Betty. Other than what I've seen on rootschat.com I can't find any reference to her existence. The purpose of my search is to find documentation showing my iwi whakapapa to prove what iwi I am. Without it I won't ever be able to find my iwi.
Is there anyway you could help me in finding more about Betty and her iwi?
Cheers
Scott
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my name is Andrew Quinn my mother was Pamela Coleman her father was Raymond S Coleman his mother was Sarah Coleman married to Alfred Coleman her maiden name was Cameron. His father was Mr Charles Coleman and he was married to Jane Coleman nee Whittaker. I know from family in NZ that we have ancestors from Waikato. My partner is Charles Richards and his family is from Napier. His family from up north Hokianga and Thames. This is a photo of me and one of my grandfather Ray. My grandfather was from Devenport near Auckland. Love to know more you can find me on facebook or you can contact me a t *e-mail address removed as per Rootschat policy - please use the Private Message facility
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Hi Everyone,
Just to let you know, in my family tree on another branch is Servilla Eve Coleman who was a daughter of Charles William Coleman and Jane Whittaker. It's been nice to figure out that what my uncle was telling me was true about the link to the Maori King (except for the part where he mispronounced Peti's name and had me stumped) ;D.
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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Hey that's great! I'm still hoping that someone on this thread comes up with some paper or links to I can connect the ties to the King... ;)
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Hi There,
I have just started looking into my husbands relatives and found this chat really great. My husband is a great grandson of Lewis Davies Bickerton born 1847, Lewis had a son Sydney John Bickerton born 1892 and died 1949 and Sydney John Bickerton had a son called Sydney Waimana Hokimai Bickerton born 1914-1968 who is my husbands father. I can't seem to find much info on his father or grandfather.
Regards Jill
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Hi Jill,
Sydney John Bickerton is the Great Granduncle of my friend who I am helping with his tree. If you post a few more times I can pm you....
Welcome to the Rootschat chatters!
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Hi.
Thank you it is all so interesting, I look forward to learning lots more.
Thanks again
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Hi there,
Has anyone made any headway on finding the definative link from Betty / Peti to her tribe?
Still a sticking point for me...
Cheers!
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Hi Boston39.
I know it has been a while since there was conversation on this thread, so hopefully you see this message somehow. I have just stumbled upon this website. You say that your husband is the son of Sydney Waimana Hokimai Bickerton. My late mother (Glen Margaret Bickerton deceased, 2013) was the daughter of Sydney Waimana Bickerton. She was born in 1946.
Her mother was Elizabeth Bickerton, nee Colledge and there were two other children in that family, John Bickerton and Don Bickerton. Elizabeth and Sydney divorced sometime, possibly in the 50's... But that's all I and my mother knew about Sydney Bickerton.
It sounds pretty crazy, but I have my mother's birth certificate. If you're still active on this site, perhaps we could chat?
Kind regards,
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Hi All
I'm new to rootchat, so hope someone's listening.
We are of to Whangaroa tomorrow 10th Jan 16 on the hunt for James and/or Beti grave etc.
Hopefully you may be able to point me in the right direction.
My wife Shelley is another cousin via their youngest son William James (Wiremu) b1857 d1917 (Sydney) m1880 to Mary Ann Weston.
Their daughter Marietta (Mary Etta) b1881 d1950 is the my wife's great-grandmother through her third son Harold Dyer. Most of their line (latest count 53 and growing) live in Auckland, Hamilton or Sydney.
Bye for now
Colin (no the other one)
PS: how do I access the attachment's some of you have posted of the last few year's ?
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To SBW-Tainui
Your great .. grandmother Isabella
she married Lewis Davies Beckerton on 13 Aug 1874 at the Fuller residence, Coote Road, Napier, Hawkes Bay, New Zealand
and died on 8 Aug 1927 at her sister Jane's house at 101 Cook Street, Auckland Central
and is buried at Purewa Cemetary; Location Block E Row 58 Plot 110
Hope this is helpful
Colin
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Dear Marcus and Kiwi Girl
Could I please have some assistance in documentation connecting James Whitaker with Peti Te Wherowhero and Peti with 1st Maori King Potatau Te Wherowhero?
Thank you kindly.
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Hi everybody I've been searching for my dads family for years he is now in his 70's his father was William Charles Whitaker jnr his father passed away in the war wen my dad was 3 and that's where family was lost I have finally found decendents and ancestors we are related to James Whitaker he is my great great great grandfather I'm in west Auckland and would love to find family if anyone could help point me in the right direction that would be awesome my great grandmother was Edith may Whitaker and William Charles Whitaker also my fathers name is William thanks and I hope this helps this is what I know,
Irihapeti Hineraria Potatau (Te Wherowhero) Whitaker was married to James Whitaker she is the first Maori king potatau te wherowhero to his 4th wife Nga Waero (Tukorehu) Te Wherowhero and ngati waero's sister also was a wife of potatau,
Biography
She was the daughter of Maori Chieftain Te Wherowhero, of the Tainui confederation of tribes, who was elected first Maori King in 1858, by his 4th wife, Ngawaero, younger daughter of Pehi Tukorehu.
Marriage and family
She married James Whitaker, shipwright, of Whangaroa, and they had seven children. He died in 1866.
Death
She died in 1927, aged 100.
vacy
Irihapeti Hineraria Potatau "Betty" Whitaker formerly Te Wherowhero
Born 1827 in Waikato, New Zealandmap
ANCESTORS ancestors
Daughter of Potatau Te Wherowhero and Nga Waero (Tukorehu) Te Wherowhero
Sister of Matutaera Te Pukepuke Te Karato Potatau Te Wherowhero [half]
Wife of James Whitaker — married about 1848 in Whangaroa, Bay of Islands, New Zealandmap
DESCENDANTS descendants
Mother of John Whitaker, Jane (Whitaker) Coleman, Margaret (Whitaker) McGregor, Ellen Whitaker, Elizabeth (Whitaker) Ireland, Isabella (Whitaker) Bickerton and William James Whitaker
Died 1927 in Waikato, New Zealandmap
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Hi there
My wife and children are like you related through James & Peti's son William James Wiremu Whittaker b1857 Whangaroa d1917 Sydney. He married Mary Ann Weston in 1880 at St Patrick's Cathedral in Auckland. They had six children. Our family is from their eldest daughter Marietta b1881 d1950. Your family is from their second child William b1883 d1950. He is buried at Panmure St Patrick's churchyard (centre section row 5 plot 243) along with many of your relatives (including his mother Mary Ann Weston).
I have been able to trace the Weston's back a few generations, but haven't had much success with James Whittaker.
Peti's connection to King Te Wherowhero is as yet unproven, but probable. Likewise we have been unable to find burial place for either James or Peti.
We are also in West Auckland, There are a number of active Whittaker's in Auckland !
Bye for now
Colin and Shelley McGeorge
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Hey Kiwi girl,
So this is random but I just stumbled across this after looking to find some info about my dads father.
I’m pretty sure my great grandmother Syvilla Maud (Whittaker) Byrne is your grandfathers sister. I unfortunately don’t know where she was buried Syvilla’s mothers name was Edith May (Gamble) Whittaker and her fathers name was William Charles Whittaker II. If I’m correct, your grandfather is her brother and is buried in Faenza War Cemetery, Italy in 1945. 243061 Corporal W C Whittaker, NZ Infantry, 7th April 1945, Age 23, New Zealand.
Go to a website called wikitree, I found so much on there and it goes right back to James Whittaker who came here from England in 1800 and abducted/was given Irihapeti in around 1844.
They had I believe 5 children,
Jane, Margret, Elizabeth, Isabel and William. William James who married Mary Ann (Weston) Whittaker,
they’re your dads great grandparents.
But yeah, pretty sure we are related hahaha.