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How do I get info on a grave stone I found, its is Mary Taylor died 29.8.1868 at 38yrs and William of East Citchern ? died 16.3.1898 52ys how do I find what she died from and who their children were the grave was in Eglingham church Northumberland
Belinda
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bt19,
Living in East Ditchburn on the 1861 Census was family of William and Mary and chlidren Margaret born circa 1851, Mary 1855, Anfrew 1858 and John 1860.
Mary's death was registered in the Sept Quarter of 1868, within the Alnwick Registration District.
Whoever informed the Registrar of her death said she was 37 at death.
William's death was registered at same Reg Dist, in the March Qtr of 1898. Age at death was recorded as 72.
To find the cause of death you need to buy a copy certificate of the death registration. From local Register Office ( at Alnwick, but called Northumberland North second Reg District - tel 01665 602870 )
Michael
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Hi Micheal
Yes I think this is the right family, in 1881 they are in the Ogle arms at Eglingham, there are 2 sets of twins and no sign of Mary anymore, I was just wondering if she died in childbirth because the youngest set of twins are born in 1868 too. Thanks for the help,
Regards
Belinda
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Belinda,
On 1881 census Taylor branches are in Eglingham village ( page ref 5124-62-3, at "household schedules" 14-Richard, 15-William, 16-Andrew)
John Brown is innkeeper at the Ogle Arms ( on previous page ie 2 ) I don't think any of the Taylors are actually living in the inn. The census enumerator was a bit slipshod filling in address column.
Is the Mary you refer to, Mary Taylor born c1855, dtr of William/Mary ?
I don't understand your reference to " 2 sets of twins" > I am guessing that Mary junior got married and had 2 sets of twins ??.
Michael
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I'm not very good at this yet but I'm sure I will get there in the end
1881 Ogle Arms Eglingham William 54 John21 Robert 18 Anne 18 and ralf 15 matthew 15
This is the family William B 1826 married Mary B 1830, I think she died the same yr the twins were born and wondered if the grave at the church in Eglingham was hers I will ring and order the birth certificate
Regards
Belinda
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Belinda,
Hang fire for the moment on buying a birth cert !
On the 1861 census, in East Ditchburn (page ref 3880-80-3) Mary, william's wife is aged 31 (born Alnwick). On 1851 census (ref 2419-652-1) she was 20.
On 1871 census (5175-74-1) William is recorded as a widower.
The births of Ralph and Matthew were registered with Alnwick Reg District in the June Qtr of 1866.
In the same registration district there are death registrations for several Mary Taylors. The best candidates for your Mary Taylor ...
Sept Qtr ( so registered from 1st July to 30 Sep)1868, aged 37
June Qtr (registered 1st April-30th June ) 1869 aged 38
The best bet is the first one.
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Now that I have tuned into the "twins" situation, I think the couple had at least 3 sets of twins, including William and Margaret, registered March Qtr 1851.
You can see them, and a 3 yr old dtr Mary who died in infancy on 1851 census (ref 2419-652-1)
Ogle Arms. What records do you have that show that the family ever lived in the Ogle Arms ?
Michael
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Morning
Nearly ordered Birth cert yesturday !that was lucky. I don't know why I think they were in the Ogle arms but I seen it somewhere
I was looking for it last night after I got your msg, but I can't find it now, I was also told that my gg was born in a pub ?
Belinda
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Hello
Just a quick question, when I rang to order the birth cert yesturday she said I didn't have enough info that I needed her place of birth can you advise me what info I need to give them or where to get it
Belinda
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Belinda,
I think you have seen them as in the Ogle Arms on the 1881 on the FamilySearch web site.
But looking at the original census page I dont think the Taylors lived in the pub- probably next door. Enumerator made it unclear.
Maybe I am wrong. Perhaps other Chatters might offer an opinion for page
1881 - page 5124-62-3 !
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Does the info from Eglingham churchyard and censuses match up to your satisfaction ?
Michael
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Belinda- please remind me for which child you may seek the birth registration .
Michael
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it is the mother Mary I am trying to get the death cert for sorry not the birth cert although this would be good too, I have just rang the the Alnwick district office she had a look on her screen but she has no deaths for a Mary taylor the date on the grave stone said 29.8.1868 but she doesn't have any registered for then
Belinda
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Belinda,
On buying Death Cert from Alnwick Reg Office......
On 1861 census William/Mary Taylor are living in the community of East Ditchburn, within the Township of Ditchburn, within the Parish of Eglingham.
On 1871 census, widower William is still living in East Ditchburn, ditto, ditto.
So Mary died between the two censuses, very likely in the community of East Ditchburn.
The stone you have seen corroborates this and gives the death date as
29th August 1868, aged 38 yrs.
The GRO Death Registration Index, as reproduced onto FreeBMD web site, reveals that her death was registered in the Sept Qtr (i.e sometime between 1st July and 30 Sep) with/at Alnwick Reg District office. But however "informed" of her death, told Registrar that she was aged 37 !
1861 Census ( which was taken as at the 7th April) records her age as 31 yrs.
The point is that these little blips creep into records just to set us back.
There is no other candidate for a Mary Taylor dying in 1868 in GRO death reg index.
I think what Alnwick RO is looking at is the right Mary, but perhaps with a wee discrepancy of maybe a day or two. But I bet the lady at Alnwick was careful not to tell you death dates of any Mary Taylor she had in her records.
Trivia Angle.
On the 1871 census, at the top as the page which holds William Taylor, there is an Andrew Railston. I think that is Mary Taylor's dad !
Michael
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They can't find her death cert they wonder if its with another district and are going to look into it and call me back, I will look at the railston angle too thanks for the help
Regards
Belinda
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Hi Micheal
Just to let you know I got the death cert and it was the right one thanks for the help, she died from TB had it for a year
Belinda
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Belinda,
And so what was her place of death, on the cert ?
Michael
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Hello
it was 29th Aug 1868 East Ditchurn, wife of William taylor agricultural labourer, Died of phthisis pulmonalis (TB ) under which is written 12 months certifield
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How do I get info on a grave stone I found, its is Mary Taylor died 29.8.1868 at 38yrs and William of East Citchern ? died 16.3.1898 52ys how do I find what she died from and who their children were the grave was in Eglingham church Northumberland
Belinda
hi belinda i,m william +mary taylor nee railston were my ggf+ggm they did live in ogle arms also 1 manor house my grandda was ralph twin to mathew
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How do I get info on a grave stone I found, its is Mary Taylor died 29.8.1868 at 38yrs and William of East Citchern ? died 16.3.1898 52ys how do I find what she died from and who their children were the grave was in Eglingham church Northumberland
Belinda
hi belinda i,m william +mary taylor nee railston were my ggf+ggm they did live in ogle arms also 1 manor house my grandda was ralph twin to mathew