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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: Walkabout on Sunday 25 July 10 08:28 BST (UK)
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???I am up against a brick wall in my attempt to trace my Tate family in Longtown further back than the 19th century.The furthest I've managed to get is the marriage of Robert Tate and Elizabeth Tinniswood circa 1781 but I don't know whether that occurred in Longtown (Arthuret) or elsewhere and have no information of their parentage and background. Any info. or pointers would be gratefully received as I'm 12,000 miles away!
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Longtown where? Which country & county?
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Longtown is in Cumberland (Cumbria), England
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You presumably have this marriage http://tinyurl.com/2ufpsdy
It is an "Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record" i.e. copied from the Arthuret register so ought to be reliable.
Arthuret church was close to Longtown - see http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CUL/Arthuret/index.html
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Thanks. The info. was obtained for me by a friend but lacked the exact date and the church. I suppose I would have to see the parish records to find out further info. about Robert's and Elizabeth's backgrounds, parents etc. Do you know if the Arthuret parish records are in the Archives or C.R.O in Carlisle or are both these in the same place? I am coming to England to go to Longtown and Carlisle in September and don't want to waste time trying to find out where things are as my time there will be limited. I imagine these records are no longer held at the church. Thank you again for your help.
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Carlisle Records Office is closed for the rest of this year. Alternative arrangements are given here http://www.cumbria.gov.uk/archives/newrecoff/closure_record_office.asp
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Hi
I've had a look at the Diocese of Carlisle marriage licences for this marriage and no luck I'm afraid. However, there are some interesting entries which I think may relate to your family:
2 Oct 1779
groom: Saml Rooke of Longtown, Arthuret, bricklayer
bride: Eliz Tate of Sandbed, Kirkandrews upon Eske
bondsman: Robert Tate of Kirkandrews upon Eske, mason (marks)
9 Mar 1778
groom: George Batty (Batey) of Browhead, Kirkandrews upon Eske, joiner
bride: Bridget Tate of Woodhead, Kirkandrews upon Eske, a minor
bondsman: John Tate of Kirkandrews, weaver
J T is her brother and swears that her father Robert Tate consents
marriage to take place in Kirkandrews upon Eske
and an earlier marriage of (aunt of the above?)
24 Jan 1758
groom: James Robinson of Great Corby, Wetheral, bachelor, mason
bride: Bridget Tate of Clarkstown, K Andrews upon Eske, single woman
bondsman: John Tate of Sandbed, K Andrews upon Eske, yeoman
marriage to take place in Kirkandrews upon Eske
and there is also a William Tate of Carlisle, innholder who is bondsman for a marriage in KuponE on 30 May 1778.
Do you know the occupation of your Robert? It looks like KuponE might be worth a look? Also apprenticeship records?
I've had a look at Tinniswood entries as well but all isolated entries so far. I'll wait to see if any of this is of interest.
regards
Deborah
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I'm interested in this post as one of my great great grandmothers was Mary Anne Tate born in 1835 to Anne Tate, daughter of George Tate , who was a son of Robert Tate and Elizabeth Tinniswood.
Mary Anne, who later married Charles Mconachie, had 14 children (including a set of natural triplets) and lived to 95, was illegitimate....apparently Longtown, Cumbria had one of the highest rates of illegitimacy in the UK.
I read that it was customary before 1837 to include the unmarried father's name in the parish registers and would be interested to know if anyone has sight of the Longtown (Arthuret) parish registers.
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... it was customary before 1837 to include the unmarried father's name in the parish registers and would be interested to know if anyone has sight of the Longtown (Arthuret) parish registers.
It occasionally happened, but I wouldn't say it was customary. :-\
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Thanks.
On the Longtown site the words "is often named in the register" were used. ....so maybe I'm in with a chance (even if significantly less than 50%).
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I took the opportunity to check the register for May Ann TATE when I was at Whitehaven the other day.
There was no additional information I'm afraid. :(
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Thanks very much for going to the trouble.
Fiona M
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???I am up against a brick wall in my attempt to trace my Tate family in Longtown further back than the 19th century.The furthest I've managed to get is the marriage of Robert Tate and Elizabeth Tinniswood circa 1781 but I don't know whether that occurred in Longtown (Arthuret) or elsewhere and have no information of their parentage and background. Any info. or pointers would be gratefully received as I'm 12,000 miles away!
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???I am up against a brick wall in my attempt to trace my Tate family in Longtown further back than the 19th century.The furthest I've managed to get is the marriage of Robert Tate and Elizabeth Tinniswood circa 1781 but I don't know whether that occurred in Longtown (Arthuret) or elsewhere and have no information of their parentage and background. Any info. or pointers would be gratefully received as I'm 12,000 miles away!
[/ ???I am up against a brick wall in my attempt to trace my Tate family in Longtown further back than the 19th century.The furthest I've managed to get is the marriage of Robert Tate and Elizabeth Tinniswood circa 1781 but I don't know whether that occurred in Longtown (Arthuret) or elsewhere and have no information of their parentage and background. Any info. or pointers would be gratefully received as I'm 12,000 miles away!
quote]I have family tree details on an Elizabeth Tinniswood, died at Brampton in 1870, aged 83, buried at Hayton.
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Hi
Most of the Tates in the Longtown area were buried at Kirkandrews on Esk rather than Arthuret. There is one gravestone there, which is mostly illegible (apart from the names Robert, John and Thomas) but on the reverse is:
Interred here Sarah TINNISWOOD who died at Longtown August 6th 180- aged 97 years.
From the parish register
1806 Jul 29 Tinniswood Sarah aged 94 widow of Arthuret.
Since there are other Tate gravestones nearby, its possible that this is for your Tate family, as there are no other Tinniswoods buried at Kirkandrews on Esk, and that Sarah Tinniswood is a relative of Elizabeth Tinniswood.
Robert Tate married Elizabeth Tinniswood at Arthuret in 1781:
Jan 30th 1781 Marr. TATE Robert Tate of Longtown in this parish, Batchelor & Elizabeth Tinninswood X of the same place, Spinster by Banns (from the Arthuret BTs)
it might be worth checking out Kirkandrews on Esk for the burials of some of Tate families there, if your Robert and Elizabeth were buried there then their ancestors may have come from that parish as well.
cheers
robbiesmum
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Hi
Most of the Tates in the Longtown area were buried at Kirkandrews on Esk rather than Arthuret. There is one gravestone there, which is mostly illegible (apart from the names Robert, John and Thomas) but on the reverse is:
Interred here Sarah TINNISWOOD who died at Longtown August 6th 180- aged 97 years.
From the parish register
1806 Jul 29 Tinniswood Sarah aged 94 widow of Arthuret.
Since there are other Tate gravestones nearby, its possible that this is for your Tate family, as there are no other Tinniswoods buried at Kirkandrews on Esk, and that Sarah Tinniswood is a relative of Elizabeth Tinniswood.
Robert Tate married Elizabeth Tinniswood at Arthuret in 1781:
Jan 30th 1781 Marr. TATE Robert Tate of Longtown in this parish, Batchelor & Elizabeth Tinninswood X of the same place, Spinster by Banns (from the Arthuret BTs)
it might be worth checking out Kirkandrews on Esk for the burials of some of Tate families there, if your Robert and Elizabeth were buried there then their ancestors may have come from that parish as well.
cheers
robbiesmum
Oh, thanks for that, I was replying to the other persons question about Elizabeth but copied her question by mistake, although I didn't know this about Sarah, I have only just begun researching the Tinniswoods, Sarah is my Great Grandmother. I have just got a load of paperwork from my anuty on this also a copy of the family crest which unfortunately is only in black and white, do you have any other details? Suzie Young (Millar)
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Just a note on the Athuret Parish Registers. If Geoff checked them at Whitehaven Archives, would this be a microfilm copy or a microfilm of the Bishop's Transcripts.
The original Arthuret registers were ordfered to be burned by the incumbent in the mid 1950's and for many years were believed to be destroyed but they turned up in Australia in the 1960's. They are too fragile to be consulted now but they are on microfilm. In some years BT's and Registers differ alarmingly in the information they provide.
Incidentally there are Tates or Taits and Tinniswoods in Nicholforest Register in the mid 19 century.
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Just a note on the Arthuret Parish Registers. If Geoff checked them at Whitehaven Archives, would this be a microfilm copy or a microfilm of the Bishop's Transcripts?
What I looked at was a microfilm copy of a standard format 1812+ register page.
I think Anne was described as a Spinster but, beyond that, there was no info.
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I just chanced upon this post from some time ago.
Most of the Tates buried in Kirkandrews on Esk...in fact probably all of them.... belong to my husbands family. I have never come across the surname Tinniswood as related to the Tates that I have researched so far.
Having said that there are two Robert Tates that still remain a mystery and I haven't as yet determined how they fit into my husband's family.
Walkabout.......have you discovered anything further about Robert Tate and Elizabeth Tinniswood since you first posted your original inquiry? Hopefully you are still around and still researching ;D
mab