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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northamptonshire => Topic started by: Barnes75 on Thursday 22 July 10 11:17 BST (UK)
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Hi
Can anyone help me with this family i have got myself into a right muddle and thought if i posted my problem someone maybe able to help me.
John Smith C1834 married Elizabeth Tite C1837
I have Elizabeth Tite's parents as John Tite and Mary.
Can find Elizabeth on the 1841, 1861 and 1871 census's as being 4, 23 and 33 all being born in Paulerspury. The only Elizabeth Tite i can find on the 1851 census is living with a stepdad, mother and their children but birth in Northampton.
I thought Elizabeth's mum was Mary Ann Jackson but i now think this is wrong as this person has more children named Tite.
Does anyone think they can sort my mess out.
Thanks
Barnes75
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The 1851 census entry you refer to is correct. Elizabeth TITE is recorded as "Wife's Daughter". Therefore, her mother must have remarried to William HOLLOWELL (and went on to have several more children with him, also included on the same census).
From FreeBMD:
Mar Qtr 1846 Northampton
William HOLLOWELL / Mary Ann TITE
As far as Elizabeth's place of birth is concerned, I think that William probably just got a bit carried away with his "ditto's"!
Pennie
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Hi Pennie
Thank you for confirming that for me. What I'm trying to do now is to get the right children to the right parents as it looks like theres two John Tite's that marry Mary's that have children in the same period of time I'm looking at.
Barnes75
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Hi Sarah.
You may already have this.
From the Northants Marriage Indexes.
Paulerspury
1 Jan 1855
John SMITH otp, bachelor, of age, labourer, father William, labourer to
Elizabeth TITE otp, spinster, age 17, lacemaker, father John, labourer
Sandy
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I think this is the marriage from same indexes
for John and Mary Ann.
Paulerspury
29 Oct 1834
John TITE otp, bachelor & Mary Ann JACKSON otp, spinster
Sandy
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John TITE and Mary Ann JACKSON were married in Paulerspury in 1834.
John TIGHT and Mary SMART were married at Bozeat in 1835.
Interestingly, John and Mary's son, John (born c1839), who appears with his parents and elder sister Elizabeth on the 1841 census, seems to be still with his father on the 1851 census. John seems to have a new wife (from Wavendon, Bedfordshire) and four further children.
Pennie
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To confirm a couple of baptisms for John and Mary, and
John and Mary Ann Tite at Paulerspury.
Elizabeth 21 May 1837, John & Mary ( labourer) Arabella 15 May 1842 to John & Mary (labourer)
John 22 Sep 1839, John & Mary Ann Paulerspury (labourer)
Sandy
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Hi Sandy and Pennie
I knew this family were going to cause me trouble when i started researching it.
I have Elizabeth Tite B1837, John Tite B1839, Arabella Tite B1842, Reuben Tite B1844, and Hannah Tite B1846 all children have the parent John Tite and Mary. According to the 1851 Census Elizabeth is living with her stepdad so i think there must be two different families just can't work out which children belong together.
Barnes75
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Hi again.
The problem seems to be that none of the other children
seem to marry till much later, at least possibly John and Hannah,
I could be wrong.
I can see Arabella dies in 1857.
I can not see any other burials for a Mary in the Potterspury
Reg District.
If and only if Elizabeth is the step-daughter of William Hollowell
and the child of John and Mary Ann (Jackson) Tite it maybe a
case of having to buy a certificate, unless you or anyone else
can think of anything else.
Sandy
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Hi again Sarah.
On the 1841 census Mary wife of John is born out of County.
Therefore the 1851 Census seems okay.
I have followed them through until Ann their daughter is
Head, them both having died, with Hannah.
Then I checked through the censuses for John and Elizabeth Smith
families.
The naming pattern of the Children seem to match Elizabeth sibling's.
Can you think of any thing else.
Sandy
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Hi Sandy
Pennie was saying that John Tite married twice to two Mary's that could be where my problem lies as John Tite 1839 is with his dad and Half siblings in 1851. Elizabeth Tite seems to be with her mum, stepdad and half sibling in 1851. How common was divorce in this period? Or where they both bigamists? If so how would i find this sort of information out. Or have i complete gone off on the wrong track?
And i thought my Horton and Piddlington ancestors were causing me problems.
Barnes75
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Hi Again.
I think if you look at the 1841 Census as I mentioned above.
Mary was not born in County, therefore there did not have
to be a second marriage, unless I am in-correct which I can easily be. :)
There are certainly no burials in Northants C of E's for a Mary/Mary Ann
maybe clarification may be made for you.
I thought they were going to run into your Piddington ones. :)
I wonder if Penholder has the same line.
Sandy
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How common was divorce in this period? Or where they both bigamists?
I don't think they were bigamists.
The families at that time would not have been able to pay
for a divorce so would have just set up home with another partner.
This link may help.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/Wmarriage.htm
My own relatives had children in 1851 and married in 1860's.
Sandy
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Hi Sandy
I think they will run into them at Piddlington. If i look at the family tree from my son his ancestors marry into the Tite side about 5 times at the moment. Elizabeth Tite is my ggg grand mother on my mothers side. The other Tite comes in about my 8 x great grandparents on my mothers dad side. Don't know if Penholder has any Tite's on the tree.
Barnes75
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Another Link.
Goodness what a horrible time.
http://www.hastingspress.co.uk/history/19/overview.htm
Sandy
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Not overly helpful in your search backwards, but as a child in Paulerspury, we had a dinner lady called Mrs Tite! Do you know if the family stayed in the area ?
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Not sure some could have still lived there the most recent ones i'm looking at are from Bedfordshire.
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Hi everyone! I hope this thread is still active.
I'm looking for information on the Tites of Wavendon/Aspley Guise, Bedfordshire. I think I have Jemima Tite (born 1840 Wavendon, daughter of George Tite from Northampton) marrying John Henry Durrant. They would be my great great grandparents. Does anybody have any handy information?
I have a lot of original documents that have been handed down but sadly, no living relatives to help me decipher it all.