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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: jule on Thursday 22 July 10 09:06 BST (UK)
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Could anyone please help me interpret my grandmother's Australian birth certificate. It states that on 26th June 1882 ,her parents, William Joseph Hoy, mariner, from Island Magee, married Maggie Orr from Bellacarry. It also says she was born in Bellacarry. I suspect that the Aussie registrar misunderstood her lovely Irish accent and Maggie was actually from Ballycarry. This is my first post.....but I find I am already addicted to researching. Does it get steadily worse or will I be able to get it under control and leave this computer??? William Hoy's story is an interesting one (to me anyway!)...he survived a shipwreck (SS Atlantic 1873) and went on to name Blackhead NSW after Blackhead in Ireland .
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Hi,
Welcome to Rootschat. Your guess appears to be correct. On 26 June 1882 William Hoy married Margaret Orr in Ballycarry Presbyterian Church, Larne District.
Regards
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Thankyou so much......you have made my day as I didn't know where to turn next. If it's not too much trouble, do you have any advice about where I could look to find out Margaret Orr's mother's name...?(Her father was William.) I know that William Hoy's parents were James and Jane Reid and that they were married on 5th August 1841 on Islandmagee. Would Margaret's birth certificate have that information as it does in Australia? I believe she was born in 1850. Any help you could give would be much appreciated.
Cheers and thanks
Julie
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I tried and got 3 results for Hoy with Co Antrim backgrounds, but not himself
http://www.irishmariners.ie/searchdatabase.php?srch_surname=hoy&srch_forename=&srch_identityno=&submit=Search
From http://www.ancestryireland.com/quis_advanced.php, the only 1882 marriage is
HOY WILLIAM 1882 whose father was JAMES Co Antrim which includes Belfast there are 3 Margaret Orr marriages in that year see the entries for 2nd first names {Isee this is well answered for you by kingskerswell above}
The Hoy surname dates back to at least 1766 in Co Antrim see http://www.nifhs.org/resultsgse.htm?cx=001321074483746896263%3A_fnnbh09wn4&q=hoy&sa=Search&cof=FORID%3A11#475
Have you seen the irish entries for Hoy at http://genforum.genealogy.com/
There were Hoys living in 1901 in Castletown (Islandmagee, Antrim)
In Griffiths valuation published 1861 http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_start.php
there are No Hoy’s in Islandmagee, but there are Hoeys, a James in Castletown townland, a William in Ballycronan More{an Orr is living here}, another in Ballydown. Note there are 2 others Orrs living in different townlands There is also an Orr living in Ballycarry {south} Templecorran parish
If It was me I would treat the Hoey spelling seriously, no matter why it was changed.
This website has maps showing actual boundaries of homesteads etc
Blackhead has had a lighthouse for along time see photos on google. It is just NE of Whitehead. I think it is within Castletown townland
I would also be trying emeraldancestors and familysearch and its pilot database
Good luck onwards
Jim
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Hi,
There will be no Birth certificate for Margaret Orr if she was born before 1864 as that is when Civil registration of births started in Ireland. You will have to depend on church records. I have looked at Griffiths Valuation for Larne district (1861) and it lists a William Orr in Ballycarry. He was a shopkeeper and also rented a small amount of land.
A marriage which I found for William Orr which is possible was on 4 Nov 1848 to Agnes Morrison in Ballycarry Non-Subscribing Presbyterian Church.
Regards
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Again, many thanks to you both for your prompt and welcome replies... very kind. Still learning how to navigate this site, becoming more addicted by the hour, thanks to all this wonderful information and the new websites suggested. I'll get straight onto it! Cheers Julie
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The HOY surname derives from the island of that name - one of the Orkney Isles to the North of Scotland.
Many such incoming folks adopted the Irish surname of HOEY (a form of HAUGHEY).
Ref: The Book of Ulster Surnames by Robert Bell, Blackstaff Press pp91-93
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Jule
Not sure if you have seen the 1901 census, there are only two Orr families in Ballycarry
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
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Thanks Whuttle and Helenar, Your help is much appreciated. Need more hours in the day to spend at this lovely task! Cheers Julie
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Hi Julie !
My name is Lee Hoy, Margaret and William Hoy are my husbands Great Grandparents, I came across this website as I am preparing a power point for my sons year 2 talk about family stories.
I was researching some facts on the Atlantic and this search came up !!!
Are you refering to Maggie Schmitzer (nee Hoy) as your Grandmother ?
My father-in-law is Don (Donald) Hoy, formally of Sawtell and now living in Brisbane.
If I can help in any way let me know !
Lee
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Hi Lee, One of the loveliest things for me about Rootschat, has been unexpectedly hearing from distant relatives and sharing info, both factual and anecdotal, about our families, including the Hoys. Yes, Maggie was my grandmother and I would love to know more about her forebears in Ireland and her siblings. I'm not sure where you are up to with your research, but perhaps we can help each other. For example, I have two poems about William Hoy, the seafarer; one describing his part in the sinking of the "Atlantic", and another very personal one, written by a family friend, which details the lives of Margaret and William at Blackhead. I wonder also if you know that, although William survived the shipwreck of the "Atlantic", he was accompanied by a brother, who did not survive. I had never heard of this until another rellie contacted me at Rootschat and we exchanged info. Looking forward to hearing from you. Cheers Julie
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If you would like to email me your phone number (*) and I would love to have a chat !
Lee
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Great idea! Talk soon cheers Julie
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Hi ,Your Hoys were a large family,Your William Hoy had a lot of brothers and sisters.I have seen the church records for them,They owned a Boatyard in Whitehead and sailed with cargo between Ireland and Scotland. Your William Hoy had two brothers drown on the great lakes in USA.The whitehead Hoys have a great history,and Ballycarry is only about 2miles from Whitehead,My Hoys came from Carryduff which is about 10miles from Whitehead,The Church records are good and if you look up the public records website for Northern Ireland they have the records on microfilm and do a search for you for a small fee,I still live near Carryduff,
William
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Hi also in Ballycarry Church there is headstones for both Hoy and Hoey,and when i was researching my Hoys i found that all the Hoys in the Antrim/Down areas were Presbyterian so check their church records,there is also a small graveyard just outside Ballycarry with Hoys in it,one William Hoy burried in it lived in Carryduff in mid 1800s,couldnt find any connection in records with our Hoys and Whitehead Hoys but strange one of ours buried there.The Ballycarry church records should get you what you want,
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in the marriage records it will give the mother and father off both of them,as in the birth records.But also that som chrches refused to hand their records in,and while searching it can be confusing and have to contact the churches involved one by one.
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in the marriage records it will give the mother and father off both of them,as in the birth records.But also that som chrches refused to hand their records in,and while searching it can be confusing and have to contact the churches involved one by one.
Civil marriage records and most church marriage records only list names of the fathers and not mothers.
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Thanks for your interest and help William and aghadowey. Since I first posted my Hoy queries I've learned quite a lot about my ancestors and best of all, through Rootschat, I've made contact with a number of other Hoy relatives from Australia and all around the world. Its' amazing how the Irish family names have been perpetuated down the generations so we still have Smiley,(my favourite) Alexander, Moore, James and Thomas Hoys galore! Yes, my William seems to have had 12 siblings, and at least 3 of his brothers drowned. The family shipbuilding tradition which you made mention of William, continued in NSW for a few generations. It is my dream to visit Antrim and to go to the churchyards you spoke of William. Hopefully one day I will be able to read those headstone inscriptions and church records in person... lucky you! Have you spotted the website http://hoykin.tripod.com/id53.html ? (The Hoyes of Maryland) It has a lot of info about the Irish Hoys if you persist and keep reading. Cheers Julie
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Hi Julie, I am helping a friend with her family tree & we have been interested in your posts. Her grandfather is Joseph Hoy, Maggie's younger brother. We have only have William Hoy & six siblings so we were especially interested that you said there was about 12 in the family. Also yes there were 3 that were lost at sea, but from what we can discover none of them were on the SS Atlantis with William. In addition to this I have been also doing my own family tree & have discoverd that Maggie (Hoy) Scmitzer's daughter Jean married my Great Grandmother's cousin's son Douglas Cowin at Bowraville.
Hoping you can give us any more info on William & his siblings.
Thanks Vicki
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Hi Vicki, Regarding William, I'd love to swap info, poems! etc and I will consult my (ever growing and rather disorganized ) notes and write shortly. However, I do have info to hand about Douglas or Dougie as my aunty called him. I am so pleased to be in touch with a Cowan family member as I have my aunt's honeymoon albums and every letter which Douglas wrote to my aunt during his war years. My aunt lived with us for years prior to remarrying later in life and, as a child, I grew up with her memories of her beloved husband Dougie who, as you know died in the Battle of Britain. Must dash now. Cheers Julie
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Hi Julie,
My friend & I would love to swap info. As to Your Uncle Doug, I didn't know where he died, only that he wasn't married for very long. His mother was Catherine ("Kate") Grace who was Great Grandma Grace's cousin. So I am not actually a Cowin but come from the Grace line but would love to know more about Doug & of course he is also part of my friend's family tree.
I believe your other Aunty - Mary - lives in Nambucca Heads & was married to George Scrivener. We also have a few Scriveners in the family tree.
So i look forward to hearing from you again.
Vicki
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Could anyone please help me interpret my grandmother's Australian birth certificate. It states that on 26th June 1882 ,her parents, William Joseph Hoy, mariner, from Island Magee, married Maggie Orr from Bellacarry. It also says she was born in Bellacarry. I suspect that the Aussie registrar misunderstood her lovely Irish accent and Maggie was actually from Ballycarry. This is my first post.....but I find I am already addicted to researching. Does it get steadily worse or will I be able to get it under control and leave this computer??? William Hoy's story is an interesting one (to me anyway!)...he survived a shipwreck (SS Atlantic 1873) and went on to name Blackhead NSW after Blackhead in Ireland .
Hi Julie and everyone, I think we are second cousins Julie. My grandfather is Samuel, sister to your grandmother. I'm just starting out with genealogy so I'll probably be back with some questions. I have had an easy start though as the Hoy line seems to be well researched.
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Always lovely to meet another descendant from Maggie and William Hoy. We were lucky he didn't drown in the wreck of the Atlantic weren't we! Happy to help if I can and no doubt you will unearth more info to share with me. Rootschat is simply the best resource...... I am amazed by the help I have received with all the branches of my family. Talk soon Cheers Julie