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Welcome to this weeks Scavenger Hunt and you can see by the title it's mine!! But don't worry, it's not the elusive Ernest I'm after this time.
Good Luck and Good Hunting
Barbara
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William Wallwork was born in 1781/182 in Tyldesley. He died on 29 December 1857 in Hill Top, Walkden and was buried on 2 January1858 in Walkden St Pauls
C41HO107/543/12 Higher Hill Top, Walkden Other families at Hill Top – mostly Cookes.
C51HO107/2217/110 384 Hill Top, Walkden. Other possible Wallwork relatives living nearby.
C61 RG9/2859/56/44 Hill Top, Walkden
C71 RG10/3965/85/36 184 Hill Top Walkden
William 'married' Mary. Mary was born in 1793/1794. She died on 9 September 1883 and was buried on 13 September 1883 in Walkden St Pauls. (Gravestone)
Their only child, John Wallwork was born in 1814/1815 and died on 12 September 1881. (Gravestone, St Pauls, Walkden) He 'married' Sarah before 1836. Sarah died on 7 December1894 and was buried on 12 December1894 in Walkden St Pauls (Gravestone)
C41/51/61/91 Hill Top, Walkden.
C51 2217
I have all the information (I think!) on John's descendants through to my Grandfather, Levi born in 1903
Looking on the Lancashire OPC site, there are a number of possibilities for the marriage of William to Mary, but nothing I can pin down. Same with the parentage of William.....there seems to be just too many Wallworks in that area
If possible, I'd like to find out if there were any other children born to William and Mary, also the marriage - if any - of William and Mary, also John and Sarah.
Any help or pointers would be greatly appreciated.
Barbara
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MOrning Barbara :)
Not sure where Walkden is being a southern girl so goggled and this is about the Church
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Worsley/StPauloriginallyStGeorge.shtml
:)
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Thanks Toni, I'd seen that, but I'm not sure if that is THE St Pauls :)
I'll try and put a map on here of Walkden and Tyldesley, just to give you an idea
It wouldn't post, too big. I'll reduce it and try again.
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I'll try again.
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Who was in this area before... ;)
Do you have the children's names of Sarah and John.... In case we can see a name pattern.
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Walkden to Tyldesly is within walking distance :)
i have started off grouping the Wallworks together
so far :
Wallwork events in Lancs 1750-1850
Trying to group them off (details known are given if details are not known then are not given!)
From non-conformist records
1718 bp. Alice
1782 bp. Joseph s/o James & Ann
1786 bp. Esther d/o NanNy & James
1791 bp. Ruth d/o NanCy & James (WallworkS)
1796 burial of Nanny
1797 bp. James s/o Mary & Robert
1799 bp. John s/o Mary & Robert
1801 burial of Henry
1803 bp. Rachel d/o Soilence & John
1806 bp. Ester s/o Mary & Robert
1807 burial of Martha d/o Mary & Henry
1808 birth of Ann d./o Mary & Robert
1810 bp. Hannah d/o Grace & James
1810 bp. Mary d/o Mary & Thomas
1811 burial of Hannah
1813 bp. John s/o John & Jane
1816 burial of Jane mother Ann husband or father John (this entry is entered twice with different reference numbers)
1816 bp. Joseph s/o James & Mary
1817 bp. Ann d/o Ann & William
1817 bp. Ann Anyon maternal grandparents Robert & Mary Wallwork
1818 bp. Nancy d/o William & Hannah
1818 burial of James
1819 bp. Catherine d/o Ann & William
1819 bp. Mary Anyon maternal grandparents Robert & Mary Wallwork
1820 bp. Joseph s/o James & Mary
1820 burial of Deborah
1821 bp. Ellen d/o William & Ann
1821 bp. James s/o Richard & Margaret
1822 bp. Daniel s/o Robert
1822 bp. Peggy d/o William
1823 bp. Isaiak s/o Martha & William
1823 bp. Moses s/o Mary & James
1824 bp. Nancy
1824 bp. Robert Anyon maternal grandparents Robert & Mary Wallwork
1825 burial of Isaiah father John
1825 bp. William s/o William & Martha
1826 birth of Ann Anyon maternal grandparents Robert & Mary Wallwork
1828 burial of Thomas
1828 burial of Samson father John
1828 bp. Sarah d/o James & Esther
1829 bp. Sarah Nightingale maternal grandparents Robert & Mary Wallwork
1829 burial of William
1829 bp. James s/o James & Ann
1829 bp. Caleb s/o Martha & William
1831 bp. William
1833 bp. Mary d/o Hannah & William
1833 bp. Ellen d/o Ellen & James
1835 bp. James s/o Joseph & Mary
1835 bp. Mary Ann d/o Mary & William
1836 burial of John
1836 bp. Abel s/o Thomas & Jemim
1836 bp. Nancy d/o John & Martha
1836 bp. Thomas Dawson s/o John Wallwork & Ann Wallwork
1836 burial of Ellen
1836 burial of Thomas
1837 bp. Jane d/o William & Betsey
1837 bp. Peter
1838 burial of Margaret Wilwork [sic] d/o Grace & Jonathon
1838 burial of Thomas s/o Jonathon & Jane
1853 burial of John
1853 burial of Grace
Nancy, Nanny, Hannah etc are diminutive forms of Ann as well as names in their own right.
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Childrens names.
Alice born c 1836 died 1841/51
William b 1838 died 1873
Peter born 1840 buried Jan 1909
Zimiri born c1842 died 1845
Sarah Ann born 1845
Eri (that's Eri not Eric...... had to put that ;) ) born 1847 died 1909
Joseph born 1850 buried 1881
John born 1852 died 1853
Levi born 1853
Moses 1855/6
Mary Alice born 1858 died 1904
Jenny born 1861 died 1938
These names are repeated all down the line.
Toni, just noticed your post. I'll have to have a look at it.
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1823 bp. Moses s/o Mary & James
This name crops up on a regular basis all down the line.
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From IGI.
W.W. to Mary ....
...Whitehead 28 May 1810 Manchester Cathedral M005464
... Heys 5 Feb 1815 St Peter Bolton le Moors M007151
....Hewitt 28 Feb 1813 Prestwich ....Sub entry
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I'm sorta leaning towards that Mary Heys......... only 'cos some of the family moved to Bolton later.
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there are over 2000 entires on the Pilot search on LDS (of Wallwork events in lancs 1750-1850)
i did notice a Nancy bp. in Tyldesly d/o Richard and Maragett (thats with 2 t's)
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There's millions of Wallworks Toni, that's what makes it so difficult. I've got a pic of father and son of another branch of Wallworks.........but do you think I can connect the two!!!!! The pics are so like my grandfather they must be connected somehow. I'll try and post them.
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My Grandfather Levi b1903
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Moses is a biblical name
the list above is from the non-conformists
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>:( Typical... IGI gone down for maintenance....
awwh... nice piccy... :D
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And this is another branch of Wallworks. Henry and his son Joseph.
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Moses is a biblical name
the list above is from the non-conformists
Practically all my early lot were baptised at St Pauls or Ellenbrook Chapel........does that help??
Can you see the similarity between Levi and Henry?? Or is it just me? ;)
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def. similar :)
shouldn't you be in bed?
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def. similar :)
shouldn't you be in bed?
I should.......... In fact I was about to go a little while ago then thought I'd hang around for 10 minutes more......then 10 minutes more........then just 5 minutes......... Hmmmmm!!!
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Must go to bed now.......head's nodding like you wouldn't believe!!
I expect you'll have it all solved and back to 1500's by the time I get up......... Only kidding :-* :-*
Night All. And Thanks. :)
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Have William and Mary been found in 1841?
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From IGI.
W.W. to Mary ....
...Whitehead 28 May 1810 Manchester Cathedral M005464
... Heys 5 Feb 1815 St Peter Bolton le Moors M007151
....Hewitt 28 Feb 1813 Prestwich ....Sub entry
hi all :)
Did you notice on the 1841 that Thomas (25) and Ann (25)HEYS are living next door to John and family?
added ..ooops ...I think it's the wrong John Wallwork :-[
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And this is another branch of Wallworks. Henry and his son Joseph.
what do you know about Henry ?
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Lesanne :)
in 1841 they have been transcribed as WallMARK ;D
deb
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AhhhhHhhh..... lol fanx Deb
Will go see if I can find them.
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Is it Worsley Eccles.... ??
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yep! :)
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Hi All,
1841 ....HO107/ 543/12/18/ 28
William Wallwork, age 55
Mary Wallwork, age 45
John Wallwork, age 25
Sarah Wallwork, age 25
Alice Wallwork, age 5
William Wallwork, age 3
Peter Wallwork, age 1
Address....Hill Tap Higher, Eccles
Incase it helps.....
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In 1851...HO107 / 2217/110/48
William Wallwork, head, age 69, occ lab colliery, b Tildsley, Lancs
Mary, wife, age 57, b Clifton, Lancs
Address .... 384 Hill Top, Walkden, Worsley
Will this help us find Mary ( b Clifton ) :-\
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1861 ....RG09/ 2859/ 56/ 54
Mary's occ is nurse and she is living with John, Sarah and family ...
Next door is Isaac Wallwork age 26, wife Isabella age 23.. Who are these as Barbara dont mention Isaac in that list unless i missed it ;D
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Thanks for typing them up Sue... I can never make sense of those numbers... ::)
1841.
On same page as 'our family'
Whitehead.
Thomas 25
Mary 20
Samuel 4mnths
John 20
Alice ?..Bodes..?ie...?? over page
Betty Topping 2yrs over page
1851.
Same as Sue has found..
plus Sarah Anne, Eri, Joseph.
On top of page is
Thomas Cook's (60yrs) home...
Betty Topping is now 12 servant
Richard Topping (Nephew) 83.
John Whitehead lodger 33
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Worsley Dist included Clifton up to 1.1.1850 when it became.. Barton upon Irwell
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Trying to get an idea of reg area's...
Peter was reg a bit late unless this is another Peter.
Births Sep 1843
Wallwork Peter
Worsley 20 965
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Morning All
I'll have to work backwards here, so please have patience ;D
Lesanne. Peter Wallwork was born in 1840 in Worsley, bp 7 June 1840 in Ellenbrook Chapel - Peter married Alice Cooke
Jamajo. No idea who Isaac is..... this is the problem, so many Wallworks in and around Walkden!!!
Toni. Henry is another branch, Wallie on RC is descended from Henry..... but we can't find a connection.
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I don't think Wallie would mind me putting this link up here. It's Henry's line.
http://www.thewallworks.co.uk/
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Morning,
Yes, that Peter was a bit late... but the only one from 1837- 1845 I think I put in search ::)
What do 'feel' about the White head family...
There are other line's with John Wallwork and Elizabeth Whitehead.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dave.leek/wallwork/
http://www.robertehill.co.uk/family-tree/family-tree-frame.html
..>surnames>Whitehead.... on this page is Wallwork list too.
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Thanks for typing them up Sue... I can never make sense of those numbers... ::)
1841.
On same page as 'our family'
Whitehead.
Thomas 25
Mary 20
Samuel 4mnths
John 20
Alice ?..Bodes..?ie...?? over page
Betty Topping 2yrs over page
1851.
Same as Sue has found..
plus Sarah Anne, Eri, Joseph.
On top of page is
Thomas Cook's (60yrs) home...
Betty Topping is now 12 servant
Richard Topping (Nephew) 83.
John Whitehead lodger 33
Hi Les
OK........first off, Peter (John, William) married Alice Cook daughter of Peter Cook and Emma.
Eri is a name crops up in the family
That fist link takes me to Wallie's web site ;D
The second link has a few Wallworks, but none of the names crop up on my side.
Don't really know what to 'feel' about the Whiteheads.......... yet!! ;)
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Going off out now... won't be back till you're fast asleep...
Hope someone else comes in .... Shall we go for Whitehead?? C ya tomoz... ;)
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Why not, there's no other way to go is there... ;D ;D
Have a good day :D
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so Henry goes back to Richard 1818
'To date I have traced our Wallwork bloodline back to Richard and Elizabeth Wallwork from Broomhouse Lane, Pendleton. '
Am veering off track slightly but trying to find the connection betwixt Richard & William b. Tylesdly / John b. 1815ish
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Veer as much as you like Toni...... I'd love to find the connection between the two. ;D
Richard and Elizabeth have such a different naming pattern as well. :-\
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A Richard Wallwork was christened on 9 Aug 1818 in Eccles to a James and Ellin [sic] Wallwork
Eccles is this the area we are looking at?
James and Ellen also had other children in Eccles
Elizabeth Betty 29 Feb 1824
Roseanne do.
Daniel 29 Aug 1829
John 13 March 1816
Mary 3 May 1821
And in Pendleton
Ellen 6 Oct 1833
Are they the same James and Ellen?
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William and Mary on the '41 are resident in Eccles, but they came from Tyldesley .........not too far away.
It's more Tyldesley/Walkden Toni........ I think!!!
James and Ellen are from Henry's lot
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yes i know that i was trying to find a connection maybe eariler on.
http://www.peterjtyldesley.com/bongs/lunn/pages/P09.html
this is about Tyldesley have you seen it already?
It may give some clues as to why they moved out of Tyldesley to Walkden which is about an hour walk away
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Have you looked at the Tyldesley cemetery page? There are 4 Wallworks buried there
http://www.cemsearch.co.uk/tyldesley/tyldesley.html
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yes i know that i was trying to find a connection maybe eariler on.
http://www.peterjtyldesley.com/bongs/lunn/pages/P09.html
this is about Tyldesley have you seen it already?
It may give some clues as to why they moved out of Tyldesley to Walkden which is about an hour walk away
Sorry Toni.........got carried away a bit there!!
I've just been skimming through that link, very interesting....... I'll have to sit and read it proper.
Yes, I'd seen that link........but thanks for reminding me.
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1851 census shows 9 exact matches for Wallworks b. Tyldesley
What is interesting is there is a Richard b. 1792 Tyldesley (with daughter Margaret b. 1819 also Tyldesley)
This is around 10 years later than your William.
Obviously people come and go and he may not be connected but I think he is worth following just in case 10 years betwixt children is not a huge gap back then there could be more in between who are not showing up as I have put in the search requirements Wallwork b. Tyldesley, for example if there were females born betwixt William & Richard they may have married or equally children could have died.
By 1851 they are living in Blackburn
I don’t think back then people would give their p.o.b as Tyldesley unless they knew the actual place
With Richard being born in 1792 and Margaret in 1819 and then you William b. 1782ish and John 1815 all in Tyldesley they would have certainly known each other if nothing else.
Richard & Margaret 14 Walmerley Street, Blackburn Richard is a Cotton Loomer and Margaret a cotton weaver, what occupation was your William? Although cotton weavers and the like were common back then in this area.
HO107; 2259; 463; 10
A Richard Wallwork died in Blackburn in 1853 Q1 and he does not show in the 1861 census.
Likewise there is a death for a Maraget Wallwork in 1854 Q2 in Blackburn and I am unable to find a positive match for her in 1861 or a marriage
So I think you need to look closely at Richard, who were his parents? Who was Margarets mother? Were there any more children?
Incidentally do you have Williams parentage?
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I'll try and follow up on that Richard, Toni. I agree, he's somebody to look at.
William in the '41 was a labourer. '51 a labourer in the colliery. John, his son was a miner.
I don't have anything more on William....... neither of his parents. There's just been too many options to make a definite match!!!
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Running out of idea's Barbara.... trying the National Archives...
Official Number: K50122
Place of Birth: Manchester, Lancashire
Date 05 March 1900
Catalogue reference ADM 188/966
Dept Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies
Series Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services
Piece 50001-51000
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Medal card of Wallwork, William
Corps: Lancashire Fusiliers
Regiment No: 18800
Rank: Private...
There are 12 other Medal card ref's... :P
:D Let's hope this gives a clue....
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My brain isn't in gear much this week but looking as to why the families may have moved away from Tyldesley I found this.
http://www.arnw02593.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/strike.htm
So it looks as though during the 1820's they were problems and people would move to get work.
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If you think they were non conformists there was an early chapel here.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/TyldesleywithShakerley/TheSquareElliottStLadyHuntingdonsConnexion.shtml
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there doesnt seem to be much online i can see why you are having problems you really need the church records for Tydlesley at least
the only thing i can think of doing is listing all the Wallworks from Lancs (over 2000 online) and putting them into family groups
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try here :
http://search.lancashire.gov.uk/search?numgm=5&filter=0&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&client=internet_2009&proxystylesheet=internet_2009&iAccessibilitySize=&iAccessibilityContrast=&q=tyldesley&access=p&site=Main_Collection
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even better
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Tyldesley/index.html
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Have you got this?
Baptisms: 20 Nov 1830 St George, Tyldesley, Lancashire, England
Thomas Wallwork - Son of William Wallwork & Ann
Abode: Middle Hulton Dean
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: J. Robson
Register: Baptisms 1825 - 1859, Page 35, Entry 277
Source: LDS Film 1885664
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Baptism: 31 Mar 1824 Wesleyan Methodist, Tyldesley, Lancashire, England
Nancy Wallwork - Child of Richard Wallwork & Margaret
Born: 25 Jan 1824
Abode: Tyldesley
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: M. Cousin
another child for Richard with dau. Margaret :-\
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its a shame that the records of St Georges only begin at 1825 online for the OPC but it might be worth emailing them they may not be transcribed yet. x
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i found Richard in 1841 :)
Walmsley St Blackburn
Richard cotton weaver aged 40
Margaret aged 50
Mary aged 22 cotton weaver
Margaret aged 20 do.
James aged 18 do.
all BIC
: HO107; 502; 11; 29; 52;
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its a shame that the records of St Georges only begin at 1825 online for the OPC but it might be worth emailing them they may not be transcribed yet. x
Toni I have a feeling it was only built in 1825 ( I did look on genuki at the churches and chapels in Tyldesley)
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I have checked and St George's was the first C of E church and it did open in 1825, so which church was used brfore that date?
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its a shame that the records of St Georges only begin at 1825 online for the OPC but it might be worth emailing them they may not be transcribed yet. x
Toni I have a feeling it was only built in 1825 ( I did look on genuki at the churches and chapels in Tyldesley)
oh that would be why then ::) where would they have worshipped before then?
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we know that Richard was born in Tyldesley in 1792ish and that he was still there in 1818
in 1841 & 1851 he is in Blackburn and it looks as if he died there in 1853
a James Wallwork married in Blackburn (reg dis.)
Q3 1842
WALLWORK James 21 10
it s possible that this is Richards son
so i am looking for him in 1851 (i have noted some births also in Blackburn 1841-1851 with the same sort of names i.e. Margaret and Nancy hoping these will prove to be James children and finding them in 1851 may be easier ??? although there is also a death for Nancy and Margaret so maybe not, in fact the death for Margaret could be Margaret Richards wife, James mother)
other people on page with James wedding
BOARDMAN Margaret
FIELDING William
RIDING Elizabeth
SEDDON William
SHORROCK John
SWINDLEHURST Isabella
WALLWORK James
WILKINSON Nancy
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a ha found another Wallwork b. Tyldesley 1821
Sarah who in 1851 is a power loom weaver still in Tyldesley lodging in Elliott Street with a Robinson family
Elliott Street is right outside where the church was built :)
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Toni If you go onto Lancs. OPC and put Salford in there are loads of Wallworks at different churches.
Many of the early ones are weavers but there is this.
Baptisms: 22 Aug 1826 St Peter, Swinton, Lancashire
Martha Walwork - Daughter of Wm. Walwork & Mary
Abode: Clifton
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Wm. Nuttall
Register: Baptisms 1814 - 1831, Page 59, Entry 468
Source: LDS Film 2113211
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in 1861 James is here
RG9; 2811; 128; 24
Westhoughton
52 Cheques
James 43 Collier b. Tyldesley Banks
Mary 46 b. sherington
Rebecca 16 mill weaver power b. do.
Peter 17 collier b. atherton
Margaret 13 cant read her occupation b. westhoughton
Jane 11 do. b. sherington
Catherine 9 scholar b. (cant read)
Joseph 1 do. b. do.
thats a big jump from Catherine to Joseph
is this James son of Richard & Margaret ? different occupation but remember the mills were coming in taking over the cottage industry so if he went out of business at home and couldnt get employment in the factory, influx of outsiders, then maybe he had to be a collier
and Sarah is still with the Robinsons in Tyldesley
RG9; 2806; 95; 21;
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Jaywit my theory is Richard was born within 10 years of William in Tyldesley
Tyldesley is not a big town and therefore they are likely to be related but how?
i think the answer lies in Richards and Williams bp. but in the absence of that i am finding Richards family
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Only just catching up with this thread but in terms of where people would have worshipped in Tyldesley before 1825 - it's in the Parish of Leigh. Not that I've done well with ancestors from Leigh but still ;D
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Hi AngelaR thanks :)
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Hi Toni*
Nothing to add as yet but I'm keeping my eye on this one and will chip in when I can get away from work!
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:D thanks Angela for that....
this is High Wallis page for L's... Leigh has several batch numbers...
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyLancashire_(L-O).htm#PageTitle
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Only just catching up with this thread but in terms of where people would have worshipped in Tyldesley before 1825 - it's in the Parish of Leigh. Not that I've done well with ancestors from Leigh but still ;D
Right looking at Leigh there is a family baptising these children, all say father is James and from Edward onwards mother is named as Mary. All say living Tyldesley.
Nancy 17/5/1777
John 29/5/1779
James 16/6/1781
Edward 29/5/1784
George 9/9/1786
Catherine 5/12/1789
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JAMES WALLWORK
27 JUN 1821 Wesleyan Methodist, Leigh, Lancashire, England
Father: RICHARD WALLWORK
Mother: MARGARET
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One to add to my list, a different church same parents and address
Richard Wallwork 1/5/1792 at St Stephens Astley
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getting somewhere with Richard at least
RICHARD WALWORK
Marriages:
Spouse: MARGARET HURST
02 JAN 1814 Leigh, Lancashire, England
red notice thats good Jaywit
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Richard ties in nicely with Richard of the census now we need a William born betwixt James & Edward :)
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From batch C005393
ALICE WALWORK
03 MAR 1798 Leigh,
Richard & Grace
MARY WALLWORK
13 APR 1805 Leigh,
Edward & Margery
CATHERINE WALWORK
05 DEC 1789 Leigh,
James & Mary
MALLY WALWORK
16 AUG 1783 Leigh,
John & Jane
###From batch C005392##
JOHN WALLWORK
10 NOV 1714 Leigh,
James
NANCY WALWORK
30 SEP 1775 Leigh,
James
NANCY WALLWORK
17 MAY 1777 Leigh,
James
THOMAS WALWORK
08 NOV 1730 Leigh,
Nathan
RALPH WALWORKE
10 NOV 1734 Leigh,
Nathan
ELLIN WALWORK
15 MAR 1760 Leigh,
Edward
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Nancy Wallwork married Ralph Mort 1811 at St Mary teh Virgin Leigh
(this is a RC church???) no its C of E !
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James born 1781 died.
Burial: 1 May 1792 St Stephen, Astley, Lancashire, England
James Wolwork - son of James Wolwork & Mary
Abode: Tyldesley
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Nancy in 1841
HO107; 513; 10; 7; 7; 7
Ralph Mart [transcribed as] 55 Gateway ? collier
Nancy 60
Fabey 25
Thomas 8
Harriet 6
John 10 Mo
Horace Morris 20 cotton packer
Jane do. 7 months
all BIC
she died 1850
Nancy Mort
1850 Q2
Leigh
21
387
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John born 1779 possibly died ( although there are a number of marriages but this has Tyldesley as address.
Burial: 6 Feb 1811 St Stephen, Astley, Lancashire, England
John Wallwork -
Abode: Tyldesley
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Couple of possible marriages for George Wallwork, this one at St Mary Leigh to Betty Kearsley 6/1/1807 both OTP George is a weaver.
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is St Stephens in Astley online i cant see a marriage for James & Mary in Leigh
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is St Stephens in Astley online i cant see a marriage for James & Mary in Leigh
No I couldn't see a marriage for them on Lancs. OPC either.
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they havent been transcribed
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Astley/StStephen.shtml
'ASTLEY, orEast Leigh, a township-chapelry in Leigh parish, Lancashire'
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From batch C005393
ALICE WALWORK
03 MAR 1798 Leigh,
Richard & Grace
MARY WALLWORK
13 APR 1805 Leigh,
Edward & Margery
CATHERINE WALWORK
05 DEC 1789 Leigh,
James & Mary
MALLY WALWORK
16 AUG 1783 Leigh,
John & Jane
###From batch C005392##
JOHN WALLWORK
10 NOV 1714 Leigh,
James
NANCY WALWORK
30 SEP 1775 Leigh,
James
NANCY WALLWORK
17 MAY 1777 Leigh,
James
THOMAS WALWORK
08 NOV 1730 Leigh,
Nathan
RALPH WALWORKE
10 NOV 1734 Leigh,
Nathan
ELLIN WALWORK
15 MAR 1760 Leigh,
Edward
Batch for marriages... M005393.. 26 Walwork... I'll put those up tomoz
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they havent been transcribed
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Astley/StStephen.shtml
'ASTLEY, orEast Leigh, a township-chapelry in Leigh parish, Lancashire'
So Barbara is going to need someone who can see the marriage records for St Stephens, that could easily explain why her marriages aren't online.
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and we need to find Williams christening to tie it all in
he was born circa 1781/2 Tydelesly
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Taken some finding but it looks like this is where the missing records could be.
http://www.wlct.org/culture/heritage/lhistory.htm
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Wow......... you have been busy.
I've just sent an email to the Wigan Heritage asking if it's possible to look for William, Mary and Richard.
Hopefully I'll get something back today.
Thanks All, you're gems. :-*
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..... Leigh Marriages M005393
1. ALICE WALWORK & Thomas Garnet
16 MAY 1784 Leigh,
2. JOHN WALLWORK & Ellen Hurst
24 NOV 1765 Leigh,
3. JOHN WALWORK & Bridget Maquire
04 NOV 1800 Leigh,
4. JOHN WALWORK & Rebecca Hamlett
14 JUL 1806 Leigh,
5. JOHN WALWORK & Ann Smith
23 MAY 1811 Leigh,
6. JOHN WALLWORK & Ann Seddon
14 FEB 1830 Leigh,
7. ALICE WALLWORK & John Alldred
13 FEB 1825 Leigh,
8. ELLEN WALLWORK & Isaac Speakman
23 SEP 1779 Leigh,
9. MARY WALLWORK & Isaac Unsworth
18 FEB 1806 Leigh,
10. EDWARD WALLWORK & Ann Radcliff
04 AUG 1746 Leigh,
11. EDWARD WALLWORK & Margery Eaton
23 OCT 1803 Leigh,
12. MARY WALLWORK & George Lingard
13 MAY 1806 Leigh,
13. ANN WALWORK & Thomas Tyrer
31 JUL 1792 Leigh,
14. JAMES WALLWORK & Nanny Makinson
28 OCT 1771 Leigh,
15. JAMES WALLWORK & Martha Byron
23 SEP 1834 Leigh,
16. FRANCES WALLWORK & John Wilcock
: 27 AUG 1832 Leigh,
17. THOMAS WALLWORK & Betty Awker
26 DEC 1752 Leigh,
18. THOMAS WALWORK & Ellen Horton
27 MAR 1815 Leigh,
19. JANE WALLWORK & Thomas Roscow
19 JUN 1826 Leigh,
20. PEGGY WALLWORK & Benjamin Redford
31 MAR 1785 Leigh,
21. GEORGE WALLWORK & Betty Kearsley
06 JAN 1807 Leigh,
22. NANCY WALLWORK & Ralph Mort
08 DEC 1811 Leigh,
23. MARY WALLWORK & Ralph Gildesley
29 APR 1764 Leigh,
24. RICHARD WALLWORK & Christian Hope
12 NOV 1797 Leigh,
25. RICHARD WALWORK & Margaret Hurst: 02 JAN 1814 Leigh,
26. NATHAN WALLWORK & Ann Lever
14 JUL 1822 Leigh,
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Blimey......... you've been busy!!! ;D
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Wow......... you have been busy.
I've just sent an email to the Wigan Heritage asking if it's possible to look for William, Mary and Richard.
Hopefully I'll get something back today.
Thanks All, you're gems. :-*
we found Richard christeneing its Williams we are missing which is the vital link!
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..... Leigh Marriages M005393
22. NANCY WALLWORK & Ralph Mort
08 DEC 1811 Leigh,
25. RICHARD WALWORK & Margaret Hurst: 02 JAN 1814 Leigh,
these 2 are ours :)
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Wow......... you have been busy.
I've just sent an email to the Wigan Heritage asking if it's possible to look for William, Mary and Richard.
Hopefully I'll get something back today.
Thanks All, you're gems. :-*
we found Richard christeneing its Williams we are missing which is the vital link!
Yes, I asked for that as well.
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it may be worth you conatcting Lancs OPC anyway they might have the PR's on fiche (or event he books) just not transcribed yet as you know the church and the year (more or less) they may be able to look up for you
in the meantime we can follow the other Wallworks on the census
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Toni, I've also contacted http://www.wlct.org/culture/heritage/arc_coll.htm Re Maintenance orders for Betty Wallwork/Jas. Brierley 15 July 1826, Nancy Wallwork/Thos. Hopkinson 1 Oct. 1825 Betty Wallwork/Rich. Hopkinson (keeping it in the family?)29 Sept. 1823 Settlement Certs John Wallwork and Ann (of Little Bolton) 28 Sept. 1725 and Permission for future burial of Richard and Jane Wallwork 23 Jan 1866.
Don't know if they'll do any good, but I can only try.
I'll email Lancs OPC and see what I can find out.
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Gave Leigh Library a ring to see if they do have the records there....
At first St George and records are online.... after 1825 :-( ...
She is going to look for William.. first half hour free... and let me know tomoz.
Mentioned a place... Peel... its in another Parish, but close to Tyldesley.
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Peel... C056051
WILLIAM WALWORK
Birth:
Christening: 07 MAR 1784 Peel By Bolton,
Father: THOS. WALWORK Mother: MARY
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Hey that looks good Les..... Well Done ;)
Need to try and follow this .......
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::) Opps....
Burial: 7 Apr 1804
Peel Chapel, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
William Wallwork - Sn. of Thomas Wallwork
Abode: Little Hilton
Register: Burials 1803 - 1812, Page 2, Entry 27
Source: LDS Film 1885713
Good jobby Sue keeps an eye on me..... ;D
http://frontierinfo.com/LAN-OPC/Little-Hulton/stpaul/burials_1803-1812.html
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Les St Georges PR's only start in 1825 cos that was when it was built pre St Georges people from Tydesley worshipped at Leigh or East Leigh which be came Astley
i dont know where Peel by Bolton is presumably its by Bolton good job thats not our William becausethat would mean he wasnt from tydesley and that he isnt related to Richard.
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Hi Toni,
Yes we know that 1825 St George... but the library didn't.... see my post. I rang them.
They mentioned that Peel was very close to Tyldesley...
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Good Morning Ladies :D
I've just had a reply to my query from 'Museum of Wigan Life' Seems they've come up with the same chap Lesanne found.
Baptisms: 7 Mar 1784 Peel Chapel, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
William Walwork - Son of Thos. Walwork & Mary
Abode: Tildesley
Occupation: Hatter
And the burial Les found rules that out. They want to know a little more, so I'll email them again. First 30 minute search free, then £16 an hour thereafter!!!
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Just sent off the email. With any luck............. ;D ;D
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have you tried here Barbara?
http://www.lfhhs.org.uk/
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. First 30 minute search free, then £16 an hour thereafter!!!
It’s a shame there isn’t a rootschatter in Lancashire that can do these look ups for you for free.
I have a vague recollection of Dotty doing specific look ups in that area
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Toni, I've just sent an email to LFH requesting information........might be lucky, might not!!!
I might be able to ask somebody if they'd do a look up for me. I still have family over there, but they're 'getting on' a bit and wouldn't know what they were looking for anyway! ;D ;D
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I've not had a lot of luck finding RCers who can look things up in Lancashire - still it's always worth asking ;D
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,37225.0.html
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Thanks Toni :) I'd missed Dotty atogether ::)
Sorry - didn't mean to hijack the thread :-[
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I've not had a lot of luck finding RCers who can look things up in Lancashire - still it's always worth asking ;D
:o :o :o ;D ;D
I have been following all this so can I just butt in and say that the burial for the William at St Pauls Peel might not be the one that was born 1784. There was another William baptised to a Thomas and Mary Wallwork on the 18th March, 1804 that could be the one buried in April, 1804.
regards,
Mo
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Angela you'venot hijacked the thread you've been helpful we didn't know tey would have worshipped at Leigh until you said
good point Mo, but William claims to be from Tydesley
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.. Do you think there are 2 x Thomas and Mary Wallwork's... ;)
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.. Do you think there are 2 x Thomas and Mary Wallwork's... ;)
Yes ;D
The Thomas that had William in 1804 could well have been Williams Brother. "our" William would have been 20 by then.
good point Mo, but William claims to be from Tydesley
There is only a mile and half between the two places or a few yards if you lived on the parish boundary. He may well have been born in the Parish of Tyldesley, but his parents actually lived in Little Hulton or perhaps moved there before his baptism. Loads of possibles.
Mo
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And so the thick plottens........... just how many Williams were there?? Could Thomas be his brother?
Sorry I wasn't on last night, went to bed early nursing a really bad head cold. :-\
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so we have william possibly linked to richards clan and now to thomas and mary argh we really need to find something positive instead of maybes but im running out of ideas maybe we should be looking at tithe maps
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In between coughing and sneezing I've looked at every Wallwork Family Tree available on line (I think) Most of them go back to Thomas Wallwork or James Wallwork......... no ruddy William anywhere!!!!
Please don't tell me I've got another Ernest!!! :o :o
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Hiya... How many of us have an 'Uncle Alf'.... married as Alfred Thomas J...
Then the eventual birth cert is... :o James Thomas Alfred.... ::)
Maybe we should be looking at these Thomas's and James's instead.... What do you think...???
This hunt has been really stuck on finding a William... and there's not much time left.... ;)
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In between coughing and sneezing I've looked at every Wallwork Family Tree available on line (I think) Most of them go back to Thomas Wallwork or James Wallwork......... no ruddy William anywhere!!!!
Please don't tell me I've got another Ernest!!! :o :o
You have got another Ernest ::)
I have been sat here staring at my map of Parish Boundaries/Townships etc. trying to figure out their movements. William was born Tyldesley and married Mary born Clifton (township of Worsley, parish of Eccles). Son John states he was born Worsley but that could just be the Township not the actual place. They lived at Hill Top which was at the very top left hand corner of Worsley Township, parish of Eccles and it adjoined Little Hulton Township which was in the Parish of Deane. So logically thinking William should have married Mary at St. Mary the Virgin, Eccles - except they are online and I can`t find them, but there are gaps. Son John should also have married there as his wife states Worsley as her place of birth, but they haven`t been transcribed on Lanopc yet.
I am thinking aloud so bear with me. ;D
William states he was 69 and Mary 57 on the 1851 census, so a bit of an age difference could mean that he was previously married :-\ He was buried in December 1857 aged 78, so had he been knocking a few years off his actual age? Shame he didn`t leave a Will - I can`t see one anyway, but it may be worth checking.
I hope you are feeling a bit better today.
Regards.
Mo
PS I also had a look at those trees - some are hilarious ;D If they couldn`t find a marriage in England then one in the USA will do. ::) ::)
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Hi Mo.
I'm thinking the same as you........ locality wise. Little Hulton is just North of Tyldesley, Walkden to the East, there are a number of BP's on Lancs OPC born to Thomas (hatter) and Mary of Tyldesley at Peel Chapel which was walking distance from Walkden, Kearsly and Farnworth - http://www.stpaulspeel.com/index.php?navID=11 - and a couple at Ellenbrook Chapel - St Mary the Virgin - http://freespace.virgin.net/tony.smith/ellen.htm
I had wondered about the age difference....... the one child always got me!!
I'm going to print everything out so I can poor over it without having to go backwards and forwards. It's there, I know it......... I just can't recognise it yet!!
Les.........I had an Uncle Alf......... actually Donald Alfred ::) ::) I'll try and follow the 'not William' angle and see what I can come up with.
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Burial: 2 Jan 1858 St Paul, Walkden, Lancashire, England
William Wallwork -
Age: 78 yrs
Hill Top
Burial: 13 Sep 1883 St Paul, Walkden, Lancashire, England
Mary Wallwork -
Age: 88 years
Walkden
Baptisms: 7 Dec 1777 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
William Wallwork - son of Henry Wallwork & Mary
Baptisms: 7 Mar 1784 Peel Chapel, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
William Walwork - Son of Thos. Walwork & Mary
Tildesley
Hatter
These are the only two which come in the birth year range of William I can find on the LOPC.
Baptisms: 6 May 1781 Peel Chapel, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Wallwork - Son of Thos. Wallwork & Mary
Little Hulton
Hatter
Baptisms: 7 Mar 1784 Peel Chapel, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
William Walwork - Son of Thos. Walwork & Mary
Tildesley
Hatter
Baptisms: 4 Dec 1785 Peel Chapel, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
Catharine Walwork - Daugr. of Thomas Walwork & Mary
Tildesley
Hatter
Baptisms: 6 Jan 1788 Peel Chapel, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
Alice Wallwork - Daugr. of Thos. Wallwork & Mary
Tildesley
Hatter
Baptisms: 18 Mar 1804 Peel Chapel, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
William Wallwork - Sn. of Thomas Wallwork & Mary
Little Hulton
Burial: 7 Apr 1804 Peel Chapel, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
William Wallwork - Sn. of Thomas Wallwork
Little Hulton
I think we do have two Thomas and Mary Wallwork. Father and son maybe!
I'm still no wiser though!!
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I'm doing a Mo here and thinking out loud........ Are these the children of Williams (?) brother Thomas. Son of Thomas and Mary.
Baptisms: 19 Sep 1802 Peel Chapel, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
Alice Wallwork - Dr. of Thomas Wallwork & Mary
Little Hulton
Baptisms: 18 Mar 1804 Peel Chapel, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Wallwork - Sn. of Thomas Wallwork & Mary
Little Hulton
Baptisms: 18 Mar 1804 Peel Chapel, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
William Wallwork - Sn. of Thomas Wallwork & Mary
Little Hulton
Baptisms: 9 Jun 1805 Peel Chapel, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
Martha Wallwork - Dr. of Thomas Wallwork & Mary
Little Hulton
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This is from Genie
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M005891 1604 - 1750 0564346 Film 6909435 Film
M005891 1751 - 1812 0844816 Film NONE
William Wallwork m Alice Jerrard 20 April 1772 Deane by Bolton
William s/o William and Alice, christened 4 Jun 1780, P005891.
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Interesting Genie... so we need to find a death for Alice prior to William's 'marriage' to Mary.. ???
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No......... she's saying William and Alice are William's parents ;D I think!! :-\
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Yes, that's what I meant.
Extracted PR's for Deane which is about 4 miles from Tyldesley.
William married Alice Jarrard there in 1772 (M005891) then William s/o William and Alice was christened there in 1780 (P005891).
The LDS notes say the records are held at the Lanc's Record Office, Preston.
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Hi,
Manchester also have the records. At the top of the main Lancashire Board is Lancashire Look Up Offers. Cancan is going in August. ;D If you send her a PM with the details including the film numbers I am sure she will take a look.
There are the Film numbers:
Baptisms-1636-1784- MFPR 899
Marriages-1754-1797- MFPR 901
That baptism looks far more promising.
Regards,
Mo
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now i am lost
:)
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Thanks for the heads up on Cancan, Mo. I'll send her a PM now requesting that lookup. :D
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It's that time again and here's this weeks Scavenger Hunt
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,470777.0.html
Good Luck and Good Hunting
Barbara
As usual, this Hunt will remain open for any further information which may come in.
And thank you to everyone who took part........ It was difficult, but I really do appreciate everything you've come up with.
Barbara
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just wondering who were the witnesses at the wedding ?
William (or was it Thomas) and Mary
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Hi Toni......... can't pin down the right marriage for William and Mary. William and Alice - there's only their names, nothing else
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That’s that idea out of the window then ::)
Maybe they got married where William was christened
;D
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Toni, if we're going on William and Alice Jerrard (Gerrard) being the parents of my William, then They were married at Deane by Bolton. Son William was BP there as well. :D
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Hi Barbara,
I accidentally stumbled across your post whilst rekindling my interest in family tree researching.
I am Peter & Alice Wallwork's (nee Cooke) great great granddaughter. John & Sarah Wallwork were my GGG grandparents, and William & Mary Wallwork were my GGGG grandparents.
I can tell you that I first started family tree researching in 1985, and have looked through Parish registers at St. Paul's church in Walkden. I have also seen other churches around the surrounding area - Worsley, Little Hulton, etc. So I have gathered quite a lot of information about the Walkworks over time.
Could you please tell me more about your branch of the Wallwork family tree, for example your grandparents or great grandparents including your grandfather Levi Wallwork?
Any information you could give me would be a great help, and I would be more than willing to help answer any questions you may have about your own family tree.
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Hi Suz58 and welcome to Rootschat.
I'll send you a PM with my e-mail address, you wont be able to PM me back till you've made three posts on the boards.
Barbara
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Hi
Just found you thread,
Wallwork families trace back to Worsley as early as 1278 this is the earliest I have gone back with finding Wallwork families.
I have added Jesse Wallwork's family tree to my website and will add some others when I get chance.
Some of the Clifton Wallwork's trace back to Outwood Pilkington.
Who are you trying to link together???
best wishes
Wallie
(Lizzie) :) :)
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Hi Lizzie
Please forgive my tardiness in answering your post, I've not been on RC for quite some time.
I've been trying to link my Wallworks with yours, as I remember a picture you have on your website where your rellies are the spitting image of mine! There must be a connection somewhere ;D
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Hello Barbara, yes it has been quite some time too since I was on Rootschat.
LOL... I agree - I think we are related somewhere too!
I will definately let you know if I find a link :)
keep me updated if you find anything my dear cousin xx
Lizzie :)