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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Tangles on Tuesday 20 July 10 08:26 BST (UK)
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Looking for the death of GEORGE WILLIAM CHURCH born 1850 in Adelaide S.A.
Father Isaac Church.
Mother Hannah Craxton.
By the year of 1900 his wife Elizabeth Mary Church nee Meyer had remarried to Alan Barr in Queensland.
On George W. Church's father's death certificate George W. is listed as still alive in 1912.
He lived in the Harkaway, Berwick area of Victoria.
I haven't been able to find a death entry for him anywhere and any information would be most appreciated.
Many thanks Aileen. :)
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National Archives have a digitised WW1 record for a George CHURCH, b Melbourne abt 1887.
NoK given as his mother Mrs Elizabeth CHURCH of Townsville Qld. This name and address is crossed out and an annotation in different handwriting and different ink that his mother is Mrs E Barr, "Rosslyn Villa" 6 Underwood St, Paddington, Sydney; the annotation is dated 24/10/16. His original enlistment was dated 22/2/1915 in Townsville.
He died of wounds 5/8/1916. His kit was returned to his mother Mrs E Church to a townsville address. Unfortunately this notification is not dated.
His undated will gives all to his mother named as Mrs E Barr at the Paddington address. Receipt for his medals signed by E Barr, 1922. Looking again there is a record of correspondenc which states that in 1916 his mother was the person giving information re her change of name.
So it would appear that his mother was possibly using the surname CHURCH and living in Townsville in 1915.
His name is apparently on the Memorial at Villers-Bretonneux in France.
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx
Judith
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There is this one,
Vic BDM Reg.
George CHURCH death, father George William CHURCH, mother Esther CARTWRIGHT, age 54, death place Cheltnm (Cheltenham), year 1919 (#5968) Age is a bit out?,are these his parents names?
Logan, his parents names are in #1 = Isaac Church & Hannah Craxton
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The George of WW1 is also mentioned on the AWM site
http://www.awm.gov.au/research/people/roll_of_honour/person.asp?p=523226
and the ADFA dta-base
http://www.aif.adfa.edu.au:8080/index.html
Judith
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Hi there Judith,
Thank you so much for this information.......this sounds like it is one of Elizabeth (Meyer) Church-Barr's son as Elizabeth was living in Paddington NSW and died there in 1926. I ahve ound three children registered to Goerge And Elizabeth Church in Victoria the first born on 1872, the second born in 1884 and died in 1884 and the third born in 1886 this last George could be the one you found. I am going to have a look at the Nominal Roll for WW1 and see if he is there.
This a a very complicated family to trace as there seems to been different surnames being used. Elizabeth did marry Allan Barr in Queensland around 1900 so it's a bit of a mystery why she would be using the name of her first husband George William Church, and it is his death I am after he seems to have vanished from the records.
Many Thanks Aileen...... :D
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Hi there LoganH
Thank you for your response to my request but this George Church doesn't fit with the informaton that I have, but I will look into it you never know..................Many Thanks Aileen :)
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Hi Aileen,
There is only one George William CHURCH showing on Electoral rolls in VIC (although he could be listed as just George)
He disappears in 1919 and I noticed on PROV there is a will listed for George W CHURCH in 1922. ((PROBLEM is that for me,,,when I click to download it loads something completely different))
Maybe someone can check the 1922 death and you could try the will (and contact PROV if it isn't working for you either)
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I ahve ound three children registered to Goerge And Elizabeth Church in Victoria the first born on 1872, the second born in 1884 and died in 1884 and the third born in 1886 Many Thanks Aileen...... :D
There are 10 children registered in the indexes born to George William CHURCH & Elizabeth Mary MEYER between the years of 1872 & 1892.
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Hi Aileen,
There is only one George William CHURCH showing on Electoral rolls in VIC (although he could be listed as just George)
He disappears in 1919 and I noticed on PROV there is a will listed for George W CHURCH in 1922. ((PROBLEM is that for me,,,when I click to download it loads something completely different))
Maybe someone can check the 1922 death and you could try the will (and contact PROV if it isn't working for you either)
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Death in 1922 doesn't appear to be one of their children:
CHURCH Geo Wm age 35yrs d. 1922 DFORD #8876
Father: Church George
Mother: Annie Isabel COWAN
His birth also proves that:
CHURCH George William b.1886 KORO #27297
Father: George
Mother: Annie Isabel COWEN
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Hi Merlin,
Did you happen to come across a SAmuel T Church in the list of ten children for George and Elizabeth Church that you found. I have nine of their children between 1872 and 1892..........Samuel T Church is on his mother's death certificate as the informant of her death but I have never came across him before do you have his birth date.
Many thanks Aileen........ :)
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Here he is:
CHURCH Saml Trangot b. 1889 GEMBROOK #12814
Father: Geo Wm
Mother: Elizth Mary MEYER
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Hi there Merlin,
Thank you for that on Samuel T. Church. His middle name Trancot comes from his mother's german background, that's their son for sure. Gembrook is one of the places where the family lived too......again thank you so much, now just wish I could find his father's death.
Cheers Aileen :D
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I checked the divorces in VIC up to 1900 & nothing appears for them.
Searched the deaths also but I'll have another look again later.
Do you know when Elizabeth went to QLD before she married Mr Barr in 1900?
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Hi Merlin,
I don't know when she went to Queensland but her last child to George William Church was born in 1892 and she married Allan Barr in 1900 so I suppose that gives an eight year time frame. Seems that the children went with her too as her daughter Ellen Ethel Church who is my husband's grandmother was married in Rockhampton in 1900 same year as her mother..........
Cheers Aileen. :)
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Yes, saw that time frame that's why I looked for a divorce in VIC might have to try a see if there is one listed for NSW or QLD.
Have checked deaths again & nothing is showing to pin point him.
Do you have Elizabeth's marriage certificate to Allan in 1900 it should show if she was a widow or a divorcee.
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Can't see a divorce in NSW or QLD either BUT I did find a divorce for one of their son's in NSW:
CHURCH Samuel Trogott div. CHURCH Alice May 1920 #0619
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Hi Merlin,
I just found the same entry for Samuel Church too and he remarried again in 1922.
I don't have Elizabeth's marriage certificate never got around to getting.
I wonder if George William might have gone to Queensland too?
I can't access the Queensland BDM's from my home computer used to be able too but not anymore seems they closed it down to the free access, might have to go to the library and see what I can find.
I did look at the mirofich a while aga to but couldn't find him on that for Victoria.
Aileen........... :)
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Hi,
I'm not going to be much help but Elizabeth married 11 Jan 1900...
Ellen married 27 DEC 1900.
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Hi,
I had a look from 1890-1914 for George as I have a CD so can do wildsearches..
Nothing really showing but there is a George CHURCH having children with a Sarah Ann POTTER from about 1895. Cannot see a marriage for them (on the CD) but will check online BDM..
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I checked all states looking for him but found nothing I have the cd's for all the states that aren't online.
He's a bit of a mystery man atm :)
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Do you know where were Isaac & Hannah buried?
Well, you should know Isaac's as you said you had his death cert...
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Hi Merlin,
Isaac Church is buried in the Berwick Cemetery, Victoria, he died 17 June, 1912.
Hannah is buried at the Church Ground Brighton Victoria.
She died 16 June, 1854 at a place five miles from the Snowy Mountains near Scot's Bridge.
she was only 26 years old.
George William was only three years old when his mother died.
{Isaac remarried Annie or Jane Dawson}
Aileen.........
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Relpy to bored,...............
Thank you for the date of Elizabeth's 2nd marriage I didn't have that date.
Really appreciate it.
Cheers Aileen :)
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Aileen I've only just come across this thread so forgive me if you have the info by now.
George William Church was my great, great grandfather. He died in Coolup, Western Australia on 13 Sept 1937. It appears that he and Ernestina came to WA and Mary Elizabeth Church (nee Meyer) and the rest of the family stayed in Victoria and most of them ultimately moved to QLD when Mary married Alan Barr in 1900. This is a very complicated family and it has taken me a long time to work them out, or at least most of them.
George married Jane Moore in WA in 1903 and his marriage certificate lists him as widower, when in fact Mary was still alive, and by that time, married to Alan. I can find no record of a divorce anywhere in Australia.
Also, Hannah Craxton was born illegitimate to Elizabeth Craxton in Northamptonshire. When Hannah was 7, her mother married George Smart. Hannah's death certificate lists "George Craxton" as her father but there is no such person. Her father is unknown, but George Smart was her stepfather. Incidentally, George William Church's marriage certificate to Jane Moore lists Hannah Smart has his mother. As she died when he was 3 or 4 years old, he probably never knew that she was not George Smart's biological daughter.
If you have any info you'd like to share on the Church/Craxtons let me know. I also have quite a bit more info if you are missing any.
regards
debrao
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Link to debrao's recent thread re George William CHURCH
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,573905.0.html
Cando