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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Clare => Topic started by: bclampton on Monday 19 July 10 23:21 BST (UK)
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I am looking for the family of Alexander Dann who I believe married Mary Mathews in 1814 in Killaloe County, Munster. He was my 2nd great grandfather. His son, Alexander, married Jane Bulger after they came over to England. They were not on the 1841 census so must have come over Ireland between 1841 and 1851. My grandmother told me he was a strict protestant (she was a primitive methodist) and an orangeman. I do not know this was true - could be made up.
Does anybody have any info on this.
Beryl Clampton
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There's a Killaloe town in Co. Clare (part of Munster Province) so I'll move this thread to CLARE board.
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thank you
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Is the 1814 marriage record a marriage licence bond associated with the DIOCESE of Killaloe or a record from one of the churches in the TOWN of Killaloe?
The DIOCESE of Killaloe covers much of county Tipperary, where I know some Danns living around Borrisokane. You might want to try your query in the Tipperary part of this website.
Paddy Waldron
Ballina
Killaloe
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I found the marriage of Alexander Dann and Mary Mathews m 1814 in Family Search. I knew m;y Alexander's father and mother were Alexander and Mary. My Alexander was born in Ireland in 1829. He also had a brother Richard, b 1832, a Thomas b 1834 and a Rachel b 1837
As Alexander Dann is not a common name in Ireland this is as close as I can get. I know he was as strict protestant as my gran told me he was an Orangeman. Over here he was a strict Primitive Methodist.
Without actually going to Ireland and looking through the Church records I don't know any other way to find the information as I don't think the censuses exist.
If there is anything I can do for you in England please let me know, also Australia and New Zealand, as I am going there.
Thank you for looking.
Beryl Clampton
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a couple of points about that marriage record on familysearch - see link (http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=100028367080&lds=1®ion=2®ionfriendly=British+Isles&frompage=99)
a) The location is 'Diocese Of Killaloe, Munster Province, Ireland'. This is not the same as the town of Killaloe and if it refers to the Church of Ireland Diocese (the RC Diocese of the same name covers a slightly different area) then it includes parts of counties Clare, Limerick, Kerry, Cork and Tipperary. During the 1840s the Diocese contained just over 60 parishes.
b) the record is submitted and may not be accurate.
Shane
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Shane
If it said Killaloe in Family Search that would presumably be the diocese. That may account for why on just one census they put Tipperary. Barb Chap;man in Canada has many Danns from Tipperary in her family but we cannot come up with any Alexanders.
Beryl
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If it said Killaloe in Family Search that would presumably be the diocese.
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the familysearch record specifically states 'Diocese Of Killaloe'
S.
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I think my only solution is to visit and look at the parish records unless anybody has any other suggestions. I have written to the Orange Order many times but they just do not answer.
Beryl
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I think my only solution is to visit and look at the parish records unless anybody has any other suggestions.
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It would be a good idea to try to find a more precise location first, as there are quite a number of parishes involved and not all of them will have records back to the date you need. I am assuming Church of Ireland... but the family could just as easily have been Presbyterian or Methodist ..
For some tips on finding more details see :
My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start? (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498742.0.html)
Shane
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If Alexander married in Ireland in 1814 and did not migrate to Britain until after 1841, then he should appear in the Tithe Applotment Books of whichever Irish parish he lived in.
There is no Dann in county Clare in the index to the TAB transcriptions at
http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/tithe_applot/name_index/index12_D%27EsterreToDigidan.htm
I believe that the surnames Dann and Dunn(e) are similar in pronunciation and may be interchangeable.
There are only a handful of Dunn(e)s in the Clare Tithes and none is called Alexander.
So my guess is that you should be looking in some other county; according to
http://irish-genealogy-news.blogspot.com/2011/01/happy-new-year.html
on 1 Jan 2011: "The Tithe Applotment Books are being transcribed by the LDS church and, when completed, will be uploaded for free access onto the Family Search website."
According to
http://brew.clients.ch/MLBonds.htm
"LDS film no.149 ... shows the notes of Philip Gossle, dating from 1921-22, listing Marriage License Bonds for Killaloe ... for the period 1772-1868."
You might want to check that film to confirm whether it is the source of the submission to the IGI and to see if it includes further details of either party.
You might also want to read the related discussion over at
http://www.ourlibrary.ca/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=450
about another person whose ancestors appear in the Killaloe DIOCESE MLBs but who is (wrongly!) being claimed for Killaoe TOWN by the local press.
According to Grenham, the Church of Ireland parish registers for Killaloe PARISH back to the late 1600s are on microfilm in the National Archives of Ireland; according to Ryan, the surviving Catholic registers for the parish do not begin until 1828.
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Shane and Paddy
Thank you very much for your help. I will look into all your suggestions.
Many thanks
Beryl