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Looking for some details of Thomas Michael "Mick" McKeown who became a Celtic player and a Scotland international.
I know that he died 25 Oct 1903 in Camlachie but he is reputed to have been born in Dalmellington in 1870 yet can find no trace of him.
He is stated to be a Roman Catholic and he married Mary Quillan in 1889 at St Mary's RC Chapel in Carmichael but separated from his wife in 1893.
His parents details are listed as Patrick McKeown, a Miner, and Bridget Calligan (sp) who were both deceased at the time of a poor law claim on 11th September 1903 just before his own death.
He may have been living in Glasgow, in the Calton, as a young child also.
Can't find his birth on Scotlands people. ???
Any help would be much appreciated.
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Hi Camillo
This is the only family I can see in both 1881/91 with parents names of Patrick and Bridget. The entry below is from 1881:
Patrick McEwan 40, Ironstone Miner b. Ireland
Bridget McEwan 38 b. Ireland
James McEwan 17 b. Auchinleck, Ayrshire
Rosey McEwan 16 b. Abbey, Renfrewshire
Michael McEwan 12 b. Dalmellington, Ayrshire
Annie McEwan 10 b. N Kilpatrick, Dumbartonshire
Bridget McEwan 8 b. Auchinleck, Ayrshire
Edward McEwan 3 b. Muirkirk, Ayrshire
Margaret McEwan 1 b. Muirkirk, Ayrshire
Address: Kames Row, Muirkirk, Ayrshire
Could Thomas perhaps be Michael Thomas?
Monica :)
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Must be :) Checking on IGI, there is this entry:
MICHAEL MCEWAN Birth: 24 JAN 1869 Dalmellington, Ayr
Parents:PATRICK MCEWAN and BRIDGET COLLIGAN
Can't easily see their marriage but if you view Michael's birth entry, it will include details of where and when parents married.
Monica
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See now where the research is going http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/topic/8314219/1/ For the good cause (my dad's team ;D), a little bit more:
Patrick McKeown 51, Ironstone Miner
Bridget McKeown 50
James McKeown 27
Bridget McKeown 18
Edward McKeown 13
Maggie McKeown 11
Patrick McKeown 6 b. Cronberry, Ayrshire
Address: No 246 Cronberry, Auchinleck, Ayrshire
Perhaps mother Bridget died between censuses? From 1901:
Patrick Mckeown 64, Ironstone Miner, Hewer
Rose Mckeown 35
Edward Mckeown 24
Patrick Mckeown 17
Address: No 246 Cronberry, Auchinleck, Ayrshire
Sad ending for Michael by the time of his death in 1903 from what I have read :'(
Monica
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Can't easily see Michael in 1891 (had he left for the English team by then?) but this looks a likely entry for him in 1901, close to his father and siblings - as transcribed:
Michael McKnown, 31, navvy, b. Cronberry, Ayrshire
He shows with a large number of workers at the Ponesk Railway Huts in Muirkirk Ayrshire.
Monica
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Monica
Thank you. It just shows that you should include all of the information you possess as I also had a Muirkirk reference.
He was sent to the City Poorhouse on 11th September 1903 and then sent "home" to Ayr Poorhouse on 25th September 1903.
There is also an indication that Muirkirk Parish sent Mick to the Ayr Poorhouse a year prior to making this claim.
This gives me much more to go on
The birth of Annie
Annie McEwan 10 b. N Kilpatrick, Dumbartonshire
could also identify them as being resident in Dumbartonshire at the time of the 1871 census.
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Monica the information is going to the newly formed Celtic Graves Society. (I've just credited you there with the find ;) )
This is actually a descendant of Michael who has contacted us.
When we are fully established I will post full details of our aims and objectives and how we intend to honour the deceased.
Mick moved to Blackburn to play for Blackburn Rovers but sadly his alcoholism put paid to his chances of success there too.
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This looks to be the family in 1871. Likely Michael's age has been mistranscribed on the index I am looking at (hopefully the original will be clearer:
Patrick McEwan 30, ironstone miner b. Ireland
Bridget McEwan 38 b. Ireland
James McEwan 7 b.Auchinleck, Ayrshire
Rose McEwan 6 b. Abbey Parish Paisley, Renfrewshire
Michael McEwan 4 b. Patna (?), Ayrshire
Annie McEwan 2 Months b. New Kilpatrick, Dumbartonshire
Address: 25 ?, New Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire
The birth entries for the children are likely to come up with all sorts of spelling for the surname of father and mother (a sign of the times). This looks like sister's Rose's birth entry:
ROSE MCKEOWN Birth: 21 MAR 1865 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrewshire
Monica
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Monica
This message of thanks was passed to us. It should be directed at you.
Again, thanks guys for taking time out to check this for me. I know how hard it is to research this stuff, but I guess the joys of finding the truth makes it all worth while. I found that out anyway.
I think I am going to go back to the start of the McKeown line and work back. I have been aiming to get a location of where they came from. It is difficult, but I will get there. I need to hit the graveyards of Ayrshire to find out if there is a headstone on the Ancestor "Michael McKeown" who arrived during the famine.
May God Bless every one of you guys, and keep up the good work!
Thank you. Your efforts have been much appreciated.
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Sorry, intermission from my part (children, real life sometimes gets in the way!).
There's a few things that might help this descendant of Michael to get on his way.
Someone has a family tree on Ancestry for his brother Patrick, born 14 May 1884 in Auchinleck. Patrick Jnr went on to marry an Elizabeth Allison at the end of 1910 in Cadzow, Hamilton. They have Patrick Snr and Bridget's marriage as being in December 1862 in Colem Kiln, Co. Longford, Ireland (this may come from Patrick's birth cert). No other info for his parents on this tree but their death certs will include their parents' names to get back to the next generation.
Some baptisms for the children:
Ann McEwen b. 08/02/1871 and bpts 24/03/1871. Parents: PATRICK MCEWEN and BRIDGET at DUNTOCHER, ST MARY'S
Rose McKeown b. 14/03/1865 and bpts 01/05/1865. Parents: PATRICK MCKEOWN and BRIGET COLLISON at BARRHEAD, ST JOHN'S
Mother Bridget looks to have died in 1900:
Bridget McKeown/Calligan died 1900 aged 55 in Lugar Ayrshire ref: 577/02 0014
On the issue of Dalbeth as the likely burial place for Michael, I see that attempts have been made to find his burial details. There is a RootsChat member, Gerry Farrell, who has done a huge amount of work on Dalbeth. These are some of his posts here on RC:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,352095.0.html
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,338593.0.html
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,324578.0.html
I've just sent him a message to see if there is anything he can add.
Monica :)
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Thanks Monica I'll look at those threads.
We have confirmed that Mick is indeed buried in Dalbeth and have visited his final resting place.
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That's great that you have his burial place confirmed now :)
Monica
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We are currently researching all those with a Celtic connection who may be buried in Dalbeth including the founding fathers of the club. It's quite a list so far.
If you have any Celtic related queries please feel free to point people in my direction and we will gladly help wherever possible.
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The father Patrick McKeown, died also in Lugar, Ayr, 1907. aged 66 years.
Regards,
Jonn.
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Thanks for all the info guys. Much appreciated.
This has really got me back into the family tree. Seeing that Michael goes back to Co' Longford was an eye opener. I didnt think that McKeowns were in that neck of the woods. Mostly Antrim and the North East coastline area.
I am now in the process of putting together a tree for Michael. However, I really would like to put some meat onto the bones of his story. Those who have read it will agree that it is sad, but there must have been contributing factors. For example, we know that Celtic gave players licenses for Pubs back in those days as football was amateur. This was the sweetner. Did this contibute to his early demise?
However, I will concentrate on my own McKeowns as unfortunately Michael is not one of ours. Unless I can get mine back to Co'Longford then we may be related.
I will also flirt about here for the foreseeable as this website looks amazing.
Next stop. Dalbeth cemetary to find my Great Grandfathers resting place. Then my main goal. To find out the Irish base of my McKeown family. Longford? Antrim? HELP!!!
Any hints, tips or advice will be warmly received. After all if we knew everything we would not be here.... would we?
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Hell0 Monica
I notice you have info about some of the MCkeown s Living at 246 Conberry Auchinleck My GreatMother Mary Ann Miller was registered as living at 240 Cronberry at her birth 28/9/1862. Her Daughter ( my grandmother married Michael MCkeown1n 1906 in Motherewl I have never known where ny Grandfather Michael was born, but am now wondering if he met my Grandmother in AUCHINLECK !!! My Grandfather Michael ( Known as wee Mick) his Father was a Thomas McKeown and his mother name was Mary Starkey I was wondering if you could get back to me to let me know if there might be a connection Thank you so much
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.....See now where the research is going http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/topic/8314219/1/ For the good cause (my dad's team ;D), a little bit more:
Patrick McKeown 51, Ironstone Miner
Bridget McKeown 50
James McKeown 27
Bridget McKeown 18
Edward McKeown 13
Maggie McKeown 11
Patrick McKeown 6 b. Cronberry, Ayrshire
Address: No 246 Cronberry, Auchinleck, Ayrshire
Perhaps mother Bridget died between censuses? From 1901:
Patrick Mckeown 64, Ironstone Miner, Hewer
Rose Mckeown 35
Edward Mckeown 24
Patrick Mckeown 17
Address: No 246 Cronberry, Auchinleck, Ayrshire
Sad ending for Michael by the time of his death in 1903 from what I have read :'(
Monica
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Hi Frilly
Welcome to RootsChat :)
I'm not connected to the McKeowns, just helping Camillo out on the searches he was doing.
From the info you have on Michael, I am wondering if this could be his family on the 1901 census:
Thomas Mckeown 50, Agent (life Assurance) b. Ireland
Mary Mckeown 49 b. Duntocher, Renfrewshire (I think this should be Dunbartonshire)
Patrick Mckeown 22
Michael Mckeown 20, coal miner, b. Bearsden, Renfrewshire
Francis Mckeown 19
Owen Mckeown 17
Maggie Mckeown 11
Mary Mckeown 9
Daniel Mckeown 8
Joseph Mckeown 7
Thomas Mckeown 25
Maggie Mckeown 20
Thomas Mckeown 7 Months, grandson
Bridget Briady 20
Address: 22 Watsonville, Motherwell
And the family in 1891. Big family, lots of children!:
Thomas McKeown 41, coal miner b. Ireland
Mary McKeown 40 b. Garscadden, Dumbarton
John McKeown 20
Hugh McKeown 19
Rose Ann McKeown 17
Thomas McKeown 15
Patrick McKeown 12
Michael McKeown 10 b. Garscadden, Dumbarton
Francis McKeown 8
Owen McKeown 6
Margaret Quillin McKeown 11 Months
Address: 143 Watsonville, Dalziel
Monica :)
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Frilly, if it will help you if you want to work back on Michael's line, his mother's maiden name is coming up as Shirk(e)y/Sharkey on some of the children's birth registrations on IGI:
1. JOHN MCKEON Birth: 21 AUG 1870 New Kilpatrick, Dunbarton
2. HUGH MCKEON Birth: 13 MAR 1872 Hutchesontown, Glasgow
3. ROSANNA MCEWAN Birth: 29 SEP 1873 New Kilpatrick, Dunbarton
I think this is the parents' marriage:
THOMAS MCKEON and MARY SHARKEY
Marriage: 31 DEC 1869 Eaglesham, Renfrew
Monica
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Hello Frilly,
Did you not mean your greatgrandmother was born 28/Sep/1865. Auchinleck, Ayr.
Yes Monica, thats the correct family, Michaels, parents Thomas McKeon, and Mary Sharkey, were married 31/Dec/1869. Eaglesham,Renfrewshire.
Regards,
Jonn.
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Hello Frilly,
I think you will find Michael, was born 1880. Dumbarton, East Kilpatrick, under the surname McKeon.
As it states on census he was born Bearsden, in one and Garscadden, Dumbarton, in another, and in the 1881. census he is again down as born Garscadden, then in that time period these places came under East Kilpatrick.
Regards,
Jonn.
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YES!!!! Thank you so so much Monica............You have gave me info I have been looking fo for YEARS!!!!!!!!! AND ANSWERED SO MANY QUESTIONS I am so thrilled thanks again for taking the trouble to hlepme .If you think I may be abale to help you with anything just let me know frilly
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Thank you so so much for this info Camillo!!!!!!!!!!1 I am thrilled to bits this has answered so so many questions .If you think I can be of any help to you PLEASE get back to me Frilly
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Frilly, if it will help you if you want to work back on Michael's line, his mother's maiden name is coming up as Shirk(e)y/Sharkey on some of the children's birth registrations on IGI:
1. JOHN MCKEON Birth: 21 AUG 1870 New Kilpatrick, Dunbarton
2. HUGH MCKEON Birth: 13 MAR 1872 Hutchesontown, Glasgow
3. ROSANNA MCEWAN Birth: 29 SEP 1873 New Kilpatrick, Dunbarton
I think this is the parents' marriage:
THOMAS MCKEON and MARY SHARKEY
Marriage: 31 DEC 1869 Eaglesham, Renfrew
Monica
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Thank you so so much John!!!!!! as I have sais in all my posts I have been looking for years to get this info I am just delighted. Please let me know if I you think I can be of any help to you frilly
Hello Frilly,
I think you will find Michael, was born 1880. Dumbarton, East Kilpatrick, under the surname McKeon.
As it states on census he was born Bearsden, in one and Garscadden, Dumbarton, in another, and in the 1881. census he is again down as born Garscadden, then in that time period these places came under East Kilpatrick.
Regards,
Jonn.
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Hello Camillo
Just a thought my GreatGrandfather Thomas McKeown Married to Mary Starkey had a dauighter called Margaret QUILLAN Mckeown,(( as what seems to be the practice inthose days of giving their children a middle name of an ancestorts surname ).......as Thomas was married to Mary QUILLAN it might just be that your Thomas was connected to my Greatgrandfather Thomas Mckeown Line Frilly
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Looking for some details of Thomas Michael "Mick" McKeown who became a Celtic player and a Scotland international.
I know that he died 25 Oct 1903 in Camlachie but he is reputed to have been born in Dalmellington in 1870 yet can find no trace of him.
He is stated to be a Roman Catholic and he married Mary Quillan in 1889 at St Mary's RC Chapel in Carmichael but separated from his wife in 1893.
His parents details are listed as Patrick McKeown, a Miner, and Bridget Calligan (sp) who were both deceased at the time of a poor law claim on 11th September 1903 just before his own death.
He may have been living in Glasgow, in the Calton, as a young child also.
Can't find his birth on Scotlands people. ???
Any help would be much appreciated.
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Frilly, now that you have the date for Thomas and Mary's marriage, it might be worthwhile you checking on their marriage entry on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk Confirmation of their parents' names from their marriage entry might provide you with clues as to the naming of their children :)
Monica
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Monica, Thank you for the tip!!!!!!! Will certainly do that Frilly
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Hello Frilly,
This looks a very good possibility for Mary Starkey, born about 1850. born Duntocher, according to several census reports.
1851. census Main Street, Kerrs Property, Duntocher.
Hugh Shirky, Head, M. M. age 24 years, Lab at Coal Works, born Ireland,
Marjory Shirky, Wife, M. F. age 23 years, born Ireland,
John Shirky, Son, M. age 4 years, born Dunbarton, Duntocher,
Mary Jane Shirky, Daugh, F. age 10 mons, born Dunbarton, Duntocher,
John McLaughlan, Lodger, U. M. age 21 years, Lab in Coal Works, born Ireland.
The marriage date for above couple Hugh Starkey, and Marjory Burns, married 13/June/1846. Old Kilpatrick, Dunbarton.
As Monica, stated in previous post if you get the marriage of Thomas McKeon, and Mary Sharkey, this will verify the parents of Thomas, and Mary.
Regards,
Jonn
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My Michael McKeown was never actually called Thomas. we think he may have been incorrectly linked to a Thomas Michael McKeown wholived in the gallowgate, a mere stones throw from Celtic Park.
Michael is buried in the Quillan family plot though and the link is intriguing. Could both families have known each other in Ireland perhaps?
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There are a number of family trees showing on Ancestry for the line of Thomas McKeown and Mary Jane Sharkey. One of them has Thomas Snr. being born in Longford.....which made me think of that marriage reference we had for Michael "Mick" McKeown's parents, Patrick and Bridget, being married in Longford in 1862. Given the similarity of both sets of parents' children's names, and the additional reference to Quillan, you would think there could be some connection. The most obvious one which would need to be verified, is the possibility that Thomas and Patrick McKeown may have been brothers, but that is just speculation from me for now :) Not sure whether death certs have been checked for either Thomas or Patrick to establish their parents' names but that is certainly the way forward for anyone wanting to go back a bit more.
Monica
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Hello Frilly,
This looks a very good possibility for Mary Starkey, born about 1850. born Duntocher, according to several census reports.
1851. census Main Street, Kerrs Property, Duntocher.
Hugh Shirky, Head, M. M. age 24 years, Lab at Coal Works, born Ireland,
Marjory Shirky, Wife, M. F. age 23 years, born Ireland,
John Shirky, Son, M. age 4 years, born Dunbarton, Duntocher,
Mary Jane Shirky, Daugh, F. age 10 mons, born Dunbarton, Duntocher,
John McLaughlan, Lodger, U. M. age 21 years, Lab in Coal Works, born Ireland.
The marriage date for above couple Hugh Starkey, and Marjory Burns, married 13/June/1846. Old Kilpatrick, Dunbarton.
As Monica, stated in previous post if you get the marriage of Thomas McKeon, and Mary Sharkey, this will verify the parents of Thomas, and Mary.
Regards,
Jonn
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Thank you John ,this info would certaintly suggest this is my my Greatgranparents family.I have tried to get marriage cert details for Thomas Mckeown and Mary Starkey ( re Scotlands people ) but for some reason search keeps showing o Results,seems really strange, as ( Thank s to you !!!! I now have all relevent details Frillr
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Hello Frilly,
On Scotlandspeople you will only get a result if the information you put in to their search engine is exactly as is on the marriage for Thomas, and Mary, ie the spelling of Thomas, surname on his wedding to Mary, is McKeon.
So to find the marriage put McKeon, in the male surname box, then Thomas, in the forename box, then in the female surname box put Starkey, then Mary, in the forename box, year range 1869. there is only one hit thats them.
Regards
Jonn.
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Hello John
Thanks for tip have finally got marriage cert details for Thomas McKeon and Mary Starkey. Thomas Parents shown as Father Thomas McKeon Occupation Blacksmith mother Rosann McKeon nee what looks like Hesling Mary Starkey Parents Hugh Stirkey Mother Marjory Stirkey nee
Burns. Regards Frilly
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Hello there,
Could this census entry give any clues?
Joseph Quillan age 7 whose parents were Patrick Quillan and Elizabeth ms Bird is shown in the 1891 Scotland Census living with his brother in law Michael Mckeown age 32. I know that after the marriageof Joseph's sister Maggie Quilan 23rd April 1889to Mihcael they seperated after a few years. The lady in this household in 1891 is named as jane but is also recorded as wife. I wonder why Joseph and his sister would still be there.
Michael McKeown 32
Jane McKeown 20
Lizzie Quillan 10
Joseph Quillan 7, brother in law, b. Glasgow
Address 534 Gallowgate, Glasgow Calton
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Re Details of Thomas Michael "Mick" McKeown who became a Celtic player and a Scotland international.
I am researching the Quillan family among others. Fromthe Scotlands people site i have a marriage certificate with the following details which differ from yours. Is this helpful to you?
He is stated to be a Roman Catholic and he married Mary Margaret (Maggie) Quillan in 1889 at St Mary's RC Chapel in Carmichael
On the marriage certificate his parents details are listed as Patrick McKeown, a steelwork labourer Miner, and Bridget Calligan Agnes Reilly Maggie's parents are listed as Patrick Quillan and Elizabeth Mceneny.
Her brother Patrick was married on the same day in a double wedding.
I am finding it difficult to find the Mcenenys
regards