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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: poppy16 on Sunday 18 July 10 21:07 BST (UK)
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Hi
Can anyone tell me when this boundary wall was taken down please?
It was the dividing wall between Walnut Street and Bellot Street in Higher Broughton, Salford. The Walnut Street side was known as Salford 8 and the Bellot Street side was classed as Manchester 8.
I know it must be from after 1935 because my grandmother is on it, but am not sure whether it came down in the Blitz or if the council pulled it down.
Thanks very much.
Poppy
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Hi Poppy,
I don't know about the wall, but it looks as if Walnut St was directly bombed in the blitz. A book I got from the War Museum North has casualty lists including several people on Walnut St, following the air raids on 23rd December 1940.
Luftwaffe Over Manchester: The Blitz Years 1940-1944 by Peter JC Smith, publ. Neil Richardson 2003
Hope that helps,
:) Barbara
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hi poppy, as far as i can remember the wall came down about 1956, it became unsafe due to bomb damage and damage us kids inflicted on it regards den
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Hi Barbara and Den
Thanks very much for your replies.
Barbara - yes I have discovered the list of casualties and learnt about the bombing of Walnut Street as I have a particular interest because my grandparents lived at number 76. The story went that my grandmother was invited to a party at the house opposite, which I think was occupied by a family called Midgely. My grandmother could not go and consequently escaped with her life, sadly, the Midgely family did not as theirs was one of the houses that was bombed. The empty space opposite my gran's became known as the croft.
Den - I am guessing you would know the croft?? I vaguely remember it as a child but it was my mother who lived on Walnut Street from 1944 to about 1963 and she couldn't remember how and when the wall came down, but said you were considered a bit posher if your postcode was the Salford side as opposed to the Manchester side! Well, maybe in their house they thought that!
poppy
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Hi Poppy16
i can't get the photo of Mary Alice Anderson to attach. my gt gt granddad had a shop on garnett street John Savage Martin , his sister also married into Anderson family. Ellen B Martin she married Robert Anderson.
regard
Karen
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Hi Karen
I have replied to your other message on my post about George Anderson. Some of my family lived on Garnett Street too, they all would've known your family I am sure of that. I have Robert Anderson's death as 23.10.1916, he had T.B. and was 34 when he died and I think Ellen remarried didn't she?
Nicola
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John E Croft married in Sept 20th 1919
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Hi Poppy. I know a little about your family the "martins" I lived in Sycamore street just over Waterloo rd from Garnett St, Micky Martin "Harry" had a Fish, fruit & veg shop on the corner of Sycamor & Herbert street Micky was jJohn Savage Martins son Mick had 2 brothers John and Billy and his mothers name was Julia, I know all this because Micky's son John was a friend of mine.
If any of this rings a bell with you let me know and I may be able to supply you with more family information.
Regards Hutch
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Hi KOSINIBI.
I'm sorry the last post I sent was really for you as its your GGgrandfather John Savage Martin I involved Poppy16 in error
Regards Hutch
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I am intrigued as to why there was a wall between Salford and Manchester. Who built it /paid for it to be built ? I have recently discovered relatives living in Broughton in the 1870s and a birth in the family is registered as Salford so I am curious. Why on earth did they build a wall ? It sounds more than slightly mad. All information gratefully received.
Joney
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I was born in Charlotte St and was always under the impression that the wall was built to divided Salford 7 from Manchester 8. this was before Postal Codes came into being.
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It strikes me that a few notices or signposts would have done the job. It sounds like an extreme measure to take
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Hi, I heard when I was young that the wall was built because the people in that area of Manchester thought that they were rather "Up Market" compared with the poorer people of Salford.
And I certainly remember the wall runing from St James Rd to Walnut St excluding section destroyed by WW2 bomb damage..
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Hi Poppy, I see your comments about your gran who lived on walnut street in WW2 and that the family opposite was Midgley. I wanted to reply to you as the Midgley family was actually my Nans family, she was 16 when they died. Her mother father brother and sister were in the house when it took a direct hit. My Nan had just left to go out with a friend. I would be keen to hear about any more information you have found about this.
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Hello Clairee_annaa,
Welcome to RootsChat. I was just checking on poppy's email notifications and there maybe a problem...it was 2010 since she last logged in and at the moment there is a block from her email from picking up messages from RootsChat. I have tried to send a message but not sure if it will work.
Kind Regards
Sarah
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Hello
Thanks to all who have posted replies to my message and apologies for not responding, not sure why I have not been receiving notifications, but thanks to Sarah for trying to contact me to let me know. I will attempt to look into the technical bit after this!
Clairee_annaa - hello and thanks for your message. My grandmother only told the story of the night the bombs hit Higher Broughton once and it was never mentioned again. I remember she said she would never forget what she saw. I did not dare ask any questions as I remember being too afraid and its too late now.
I wish I could give you some information but all I know is she was invited to a birthday party at the house next door to your grandmother's. The Cotterill family. She didn't go because her father, (my great grandfather) was coming home on leave from his war duties. I am sure she must have known your grandmother. My gran was also 16 at the time.
I have a couple of pictures of the croft on Walnut Street but sadly, none of the houses before they were bombed. I also have a picture of what appears to be a street party on Walnut Street with lots of people I cannot identify apart from my grandmother and two of her brothers. If you want to PM me I would be happy to share these with you. x
Hutch16 - hello, I also have the Martin family in my tree. My great granddad's sister, Maria married Harry Martin. I recognise the names you mention but only from my research, I wasn't around to meet any of them then.
Poppy x
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Hello poppy, so glad you got my message I would love to see the photo, I have tried to pm you but days I am not allowed to send personal messages. Are you able to send it to me?
Thank you :)
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Hi Clairee, now you have made a couple of posts you can access all functions of the website including pms ;)