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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: toddy on Friday 08 January 10 15:17 GMT (UK)
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Hi all.
I'm Looking for a birth of my great grandfather Thomas Warburton born in Newry about 1894, His father was called Edwin and mother possibly Maria.
can anyone shed some light?
John Todd
Glasgow
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Have you searched for the family in 1911 census yet? 1901 census should soon be added to the website.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search
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Thanks for the reply.
Thomas and the family moved to Glasgow shortly after he was born. I have them here on the 1891 and 1901 census. I really wanted the details of his mother from the birth cert.
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If Thomas was in Glasgow in 1891, a birth in 1894 in Newry doesn't seem likely :) In any case no Warburton births were registered in Newry Registration district in the 1880s or 1890s (though there is a Thomas Warburton born in Athlone district in 1885 who is the closest match).
See the index to civil registration at this website (& give it lots of time to open):-
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails;t=searchable;c=1408347
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Can't see any Edwin Warburton (birth, death or marriage) listed in civil index for Ireland. Are there older children listed in 1891 and 1901 census? if so, where and when were they born?
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Hi,
Were the parents married in Ireland?
Regards
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WHOOPS.. :o The birth SHOULD have read about1884!! I have his army records from Kew and it states on his enlistment papers into the Highland Light Infantry (TF) in 1908 that he was born in Newry Co. Down. A birth certificate I have for his younger sister states the parents as being married in Dublin in 1888..!! again I could find no record of this either. The Thomas Warburton born in Athlone district in 1885.. is his father name Edwin by any chance?
Thanks for all the replies.
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The civil index doesn't give details- you have to order the birth certificate to find the details.
One thought- if parents were married in 1888 and he was born in 1884 his birth would probably be registered under his mother's surname.
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Hi,
Which type of birth certificate have you got for the younger sister. I am not aware of any which specify the place of parents marriage!!
Regards
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Hi,
My wife has found what may be your Thomas Warburton on the 1891 census for Newton Mearns,Renfrewshire, father Edwin , mother Maria. The census form states that this Thomas was born in ENGLAND. She has also found that an Edwin Warburton married a Maria York in oct -Dec quarter 1881 in BLABY, Leicestershire. Ref Vol 7a Page 86.
Regards
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Scottish birth certificates do list date and place of parents' marriage.
Well done to Mrs. K. for finding information on what looks to be Thomas' birth, etc.
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The civil index doesn't give details- you have to order the birth certificate to find the details.
One thought- if parents were married in 1888 and he was born in 1884 his birth would probably be registered under his mother's surname.
This is what I was thinking aghadowey ...BUT I have TWO different maiden names for his mother on two official scottish documents. NOW I could possibly have THREE if Kingskerwell's wife is correct with the surname York ( she is correct in regards to the cencus in 1891) . I have a scottish birth certificates for the rest of the family.
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Found some possiblities- what are the 3 possible surnames for mother that you have?
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..The Thomas Warburton born in Athlone district in 1885.. is his father name Edwin by any chance?
I searched the IFHF index and see that the father of the Thomas born in Co. Westmeath in 1884 is also Thomas. The birth is in the RC parish of Kilcleagh - this includes an area around the town of Moate.
Shane
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Toddy,
She has the bit between her teeth now and has found what may be the family on the 1901 census, ages tie up with the 1891. However whereas the 1891 said Maria was born in England the 1901 says she was born in "Indies, East". Children are given as Thomas age 18 born IRELAND, Matilda age 9 born Eaglesham Lanark and Edwin age 7 born New Kilpatrick Dunbartonshire.
I hope that this does not add further confusion.
Regards
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How does Murray sound as the maiden name? Pedigree Resource File (submitted I know but could be accurate) on www.familysearch.org lists Children of Edwin Warburton and Maria Murray.
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Toddy,
She has the bit between her teeth now and has found what may be the family on the 1901 census, ages tie up with the 1891. However whereas the 1891 said Maria was born in England the 1901 says she was born in "Indies, East". Children are given as Thomas age 18 born IRELAND, Matilda age 9 born Eaglesham Lanark and Edwin age 7 born New Kilpatrick Dunbartonshire.
I hope that this does not add further confusion.
Regards
No I have this info as wel In my family website Warburton page (click the link.. http://www.weetoddy.com/thewarburtonfamilyhistory.htm )
aghadowey.
You may find that the one on the LDS site was actually submitted by me as most of the documents I have stated her maiden names as Murray. BUT then doubt came into my mind when I found a different surname on the poor law records in Glasgow for claims they made in the early 1900's. agin you can read the story in my website. Its turning into quite a saga!!
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Anyone help with locating a birth cert for Thomas Warburton who was born about 1884 in Newry Co. Down ?
His father was Edwin Warburton. mother ????
Many thanks
Toddy
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Are you sure about the details? Only Thomas Warburton I can find in civil index at the moment born in Co. Down is one born 17 July 1880 Belfast but parents George Warburton and Catherine Merceer.
Also checked Co. Armagh and can't see anything to match.
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Just see that you've already asked us to search for this information so I've merged the two threads to avoid any more needless duplication and confusion.
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There are Warburton families still living in the South Down area. It might help to make contact with some of the family.
Cheers, Sam.
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Hello All. :)
I managed to get copies of Thomas's army records fom when he joined the newly formed Territorial Army in 1908. HE states on his enlistment papers that he was born in Newry, Ireland. as you have already seen the whole family seem to change the birth places etc on numerous documents so its hard finding whats true and whats not!!