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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: Margeh75 on Saturday 10 July 10 20:20 BST (UK)
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I'm interested in searching my husbands ancestors but have very sketchy details. (long story lol and my husband can't remember dates, places.). I really want to have details of the family tree for our kids. i'm searching for my husbands grandad, who was john. Hanley (J is either for John or James, and he was in the police force. . They resided somewhere in Offaly or Kildare, Ireland.. My husbands father who was Walter James Hanley (b.2/july/1941) resided in Kildare and was in the army, he died in Ashington , Northumberland and lived in Pegswood (d.2000 27/7) My husband hadn't been in contact with his father for years before and up till his death. As i said he's terrible for dates, names etc. I would be grateful for any help or how i can go about searching. I would like to trace the Hanley's (sometimes incorrectly spelt as Hanly) as far back as i can really! Any info or how to go about it would be grately appreciated
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Hello Margeh75,
welcome to rootschat.
Family search pilot site http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start
has an entry for:
birth:
Walter J Hanley 3rd quarter 1941 -mother McGrath
Naas district. (Kildare)
You need the volume and page numbers (just click on the name) ignore the film numbers etc
You could send for the certificate to http://www.groireland.ie/
and take it from there. The 1901 and 1911 Irish censuses are online and free :D to search.
best wishes
heywood
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Well these are ALL the people starting with Walter J Han (with wildcard) in 1911 census for all of Ireland... http://www.rootschat.com/links/095r/
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Hello again,
The Family Search site has other children around the same time- surname Hanley and mother McGrath which may help your husband. Do be careful though because those people could be living and names of living (or possibly) persons should not be published.
good luck
heywood
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yea i dont think the name Walter was in his grandads surname but its either John or James. Guess i'll have to wait for the birth cert lol!
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oooh that could be him! i have enquired about a birth cert so if those details match it could be something! cheers for that!
Hello Margeh75,
welcome to rootschat.
Family search pilot site http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start
has an entry for:
birth:
Walter J Hanley 3rd quarter 1941 -mother McGrath
Naas district. (Kildare)
You need the volume and page numbers (just click on the name) ignore the film numbers etc
You could send for the certificate to http://www.groireland.ie/
and take it from there. The 1901 and 1911 Irish censuses are online and free :D to search.
best wishes
heywood
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looking for any info on my husbands Grandfather John Hanley born around 1896-98?? The whole Hanley family came from an area being these main areas (possibly bordering-connecting counties) in Kildare, Rathangan, Offaly. John Hanley was a Sergeant apparently in Rathangan, i don't know when he died. My husband when born came from Clonbullogue in Offaly. And Rathangan where John Hanley (his grandfather resided) is not far away from here. Looking for any kind of archive info or any connections with John Hanley.
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Hello again,
did you get John's name from Walter's birth certificate?
You can search Irish census for free for 1901 and 1911 to help you in your search for John b 1896-98. That would then give you his parents and siblings.
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hiya yea im waiting for the birthcert to come but i was told via email that they had the birthcert with John Hanley as the father of Walter and he was listed as from Rathangan. i have a feeling he wasn't born there though. i'll try your search suggestion :) i'm so impatient waiting for the info to come hehe :)
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Here's the link to 1901 and 1911 census-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
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yea i was looking at the census and i think this may be the family http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Naas_Urban/Abbey_Terrace/545218/ but i'm not sure. it says John was 13 here, so he would have been born 1898. then i checked out Irish Family History association and that had a record of a john hanley b.1896 which was 2 years before. how will i ever know if i have the right one?? *EDIT---THIS IS NOT THE FAMILY****i mean on Walter's birthcert his father John was from Rathangan, but of course he may not have been born there. i looked at google maps, and i saw that Walter,my husbands dad, was living in Clonbullogue, in Offaly when my husband was born, and i noticed its not too far from Rathangan, and also the census says john lived in Naas Urban (kildare), and Walters birthcert was Naas district (Kildare), and then after seeing John Hanley on the IFHA site (altho 1896 it says) baptised in Kildare,,,i'm wondering if its all linked. I'm confused ..are you confused yet? i'm confused hehe :) god i'm gonna have a cocktail now, my head in done in hahaha
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When you get the birth certificate, you can work back from there.
Parents marriage certificate- that would be John??
Then you will have his father's name and you can be more sure then.
(plenty of time for cocktails whilst all this is happening ;D)
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yea i'm gonna have to wait for the cert. I have no patience! :)
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i got the birth cert back and the father of Walter James Hanley was John Hanley and mother Mary McGrath. These 2 were wed on 17/10/1923 in St Michaels church in Athy Co. kildare, and it doesnt give their ages on it!!! :-[ i know i don't have the right people on the above census link because on the marriage cert it says Martin Hanly. (this is before John changed Hanly to Hanley it says he (John Hanly) was a civic gaurd but the barracks part i cant read because the handwriting is crap and i cant make it out. so i don't know where Martin Hanly was from. i don't see any from Kildare with John as a son. i dunno...grrr ???
looking at the cert further inspection i think it says McCan barracks. i swear to god its the worst writing ever! I can't order his police record unless i have a dob :O maybe i can go on marriage date...worth a shot i guess
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Is this correct so far:
1923 - John Hanly and Mary McGrath married Athy Co Kildare
John Hanly's father- Martin as certificate
Walter James Hanley born 1941
So the parents weere married some time before Walter J was born- more children perhaps but at the moment that is not what we are looking for. :)
Is McCan (?) barracks where John was on marriage or where Walter J was born?
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yes so far i have
Walter James Hanley
born in Rathangan , kildare ** 1941 died 2000
parents John Hanley of Clonbullogue and wife Mary McGrath he is a civic guard
on the marriage cert it is
John Hanly (no "e" in the Hanly- spelt differently on many man occasions)
John hanly and Mary Mcgrath married 17/oct/1923 in St Michaels Church ,Athy
again he is a civic guard, and what i think says McCan barracks under residence at the time
of marriage but Mary's place of resident is Bray, Athy.
John's father is Martin Hanly a labourer and her father is John Mcrath deceased. (a farmer)
i too noticed it was indeed sometime before Walter was born so there are possibly older sibblings before him
Also on the marriage cert where annoyingly no age is given he is said to be what i think says "Full age" and under Mary's it says minor...under 18 maybe?
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1901 Martin Hanley with a son John c 4 yrs
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Killucin/Blockhall/1803816/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Ballysimon/Tooreen/1493688/
That's all I can see- of course dad may have died already :-\
Hanly
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Killummod/Derraun/1659732/
There is possibly another one with an older John but as we don't really know John's age , it's difficult.
Who are the witnesses on the marriage certificate?
What is Mary's dad called?
Our posts have just crossed- she would be under 21 as a minor so not too bad!
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ahhh ok i see hehe :) the witnesses are Edward Cannon Mackey Parish Priest
William McGrath
and May Stanley.
i too thought the roscommon one. i;ll check out the others. I emailed the Gaurds at the National Garda Museum so i'm hoping they will have something. But without a DOB i dunno!
and i checked the census and i just dunno! was the name originally Hanley and just misspelt as Hanly or what its so annoyin!!! it could be either of those families and all the Martin Hanly's seem to be farm labourers goddamn!
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The family search pilot site has other Hanly births- all girls with a mother McGrath and possibly one more male - 1933. They could still be living so better not publish names.
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oh cool can u private mail the link to me??
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have done :)
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got more info from the Garda Museum in Dublin (Police) yay!
His dob was 2/july/1897 so now i have asked to see if he has a birth cert because if i know where he was born i can get him on the census ahhh happy days :) they also gave me loads of other info on him too. Awards of service, his height, when he was discharged and his date of death, counties he served as a police etc. :)
i have a feeling this is the family
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Killurin/Blackhall/694934/
**update this is unlikely them on the census as i have been told the family have always been known to come from limerick.
John would have been 14 in 1911 but it was not yet his 14th birthday till july and the census was filled out in April :) only time will tell. :D
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I had a feeling that may be him in 1901 and in 1911 there is a Ricahrd- looking good :)
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hi
im nt sure who u are but i know for sure that u r talking about my family! walter hanly would be my uncle! my dad ** lives in england (herts) with his sis ** and anuty ** n ** still live in ireland in clonbullogue
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:o hiya! thanks so much for your reply :) i am Marguerite Hanley and my husband is Jason Hanley. so if Walter was your uncle then your my husband's cousin? so is tony a brother of Walter? i don't know all the names of the children john and mary had but i had **, **, and of course Jay's dad walter. can you give me other names of the rest of the children if you know their names so i can add them? my husband remembers Nuala. can i ask if you are distantly related or are one of the Hanley's a parent of yours? cheers for the reply :)
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yes he wud b!
connie (rip) ,lily(rip), bernie(rip), maise(rip), **, **, **, **, sean(rip) , tony of course walter
you will need to give me time for the rest the family sooo big they got like 8 kids each then they all got kids lol
are u on facebook??
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im tony daugther
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wow thats cool so much family! 11 children! its mad that yours is spelt Hanly and ours is "ley". do you know if its down to misspelling or have you always had it spelt this way? the names are familiar to Jason :) i used to have facebook but not anymore. :( but i can email you with some pics n all :) can i ask what your name is?
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Glad to see the relatives have re-connected here but you aren't allowed to post details of living people, email addresses, etc. here. Now that you've 3 posts you can use PM (personal message) system to exchnge such details.
www.rootschat.com/help/posting_guide.php
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Hi Margeh75,
I am ghanly sister, therefore Jason's first cousin. I have some family pics I can send you?
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thanks aghadowey for the advice will do as you suggest
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wow that would be brilliant! :) can i ask your name also :) nice to meet you
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i cant believe i have found some relatives this is fantastic :)
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Hello Marguerite,
My name is Siobhan Rooney and your Hubby Jason is my first cousin. ghanly told me she had been in touch with you. It will be great for us all to connect with Uncle Walter's family! Just found out recently that our grand dad John Hanley actually changed the spelling of the surname as there was another guard working with him that had the same surname so they did it in order to know one from the other!! So the original surname was in fact Hanley and he changed it to Hanly. My mom was Maisie and her surname was Hanley, the younger siblings have Hanly as their surname. I would be soooo interested if you could send me the info you got on our grandfather from the garda records. Hope to hear from you soon. Siobhan
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more family! this is fantastic! lovely to hear from you Siobhan i have emailed you :)
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Now that i've found loads of Hanleys/Hanly's i'm going to try find out about John's wife, Mary Mcgrath .All i know is that her father's name was John Mcgrath and that he was deceased by the time she was married in 1923. she was recorded as being a minor (under 21) so probably born after 1905. but no date of birth or age on the cert :( Her brother i assume it was a brother or it could be a cousin, was her witness William McGrath on her marriage cert. she was married in Church of st Michaels in 1923 .I suppose if anyone out there is related to Mary Mcgrath(Hanly) they would know she was married to a guard John Hanly and lived in Clonbullogue, Offaly in their later years from about 1935 onwards.
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hi i just want to say thanks for all the help you gave me with my search up to now :) all the names of the children you private mailed me were all correct. so thanks for finding them. Waiting now for the birth cert of John and i'm just dying to pinpoint him on the census :) thanks again :D
Hello again,
The Family Search site has other children around the same time- surname Hanley and mother McGrath which may help your husband. Do be careful though because those people could be living and names of living (or possibly) persons should not be published.
good luck
heywood
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We have managed to pinpoint the Hanley/Hanly's on the census :)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Ballysimon/Tooreen/1493688/ here in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Caherconlish/Srahane/623644/ here in 1911
Martin Hanly was deceased by 1911, so he isn't on it. The name has no "e" in it as in 1901 census.
john hanly was here http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Ballyvarra/Ahabeg__Rose_/622537/ in 1911
probably having to work to provide a wage for the family now Martin had gone
i also found the other children 10 years on, also working
5 in Drombanny (Ballysimon, Limerick)
Hanley Johanna 18 Female Servant Roman Catholic Co Limerick Domestic General Servant
Highpark (Caherconlish, Limerick)
Hanly Bridget 17 Female ServantCatholic Co Limerick General Domestic Servant
4 in Carrigparson (Ballysimon, Limerick) 1911
Hany Hanora 15 Female Servant Catholic Co Limerick Domestic Servant (it is actually Hanly the "l" was covered by the tail of a "y" overhead on the original document :) and was prob going on 16
in Rockfarm (Kilmurry, Limerick)
Hanly Anne 15 Female Servant Roman Catholic Co Limerick Nurse Domestic Servant
i received the following info from Gemma :)
edmond hanly - 30 jan 1891 , cahernarry , annacotty,co.limerick
john Hanly- 20th july 1897 bohermore, co. limerick
peter hanly - 29 th june 1902 , carringmartin, annacotty, co. limerick
martin hanly - 3rd dec 1900 , toureen , annacotty, co. limerrick
james hanly 19th nov 1904 , toureen , annacotty , co limerick
Annie Sr's (Martin's wife) maiden name is Connell.(( marriage of martin hanly n anne (connell) hanly - 11 nov 1886 in caherconlish ,martin hanly's father is Edmond hanly and anne connell's father is a patrick connell))
if someone can find the births of the others like these it would be great! johanna abt 1892, Bridget, 1893, Annie 1894, Hanora 1895, (john would have been 1897) then as above i have the rest.
**ps) no person mentioned on this census or my search in this post is living. They are all deceased.
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johanna 12/8/1892 - caherinarry
bridget 1 /4/1896 - caherinarry age is incorrect on 1901 census
annie (anne) 19/ 01/ 1895 - caherinarry
im stuck on hanora i found one but she 23/03.1986 but parents name r martin n anna connell from donoughmore
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hmm its a bit confusing! Bridget was on the census as being able to read and write, but i doubt that would be possible if she was 5 in 1901. and i thought this was her in 1911
Hanly Bridget 17 Female Servant Catholic in 6 in Highpark (Caherconlish, Limerick) working as a domestic servant.
hmm.. does it say the parents names on her birthcert? i thought this might have been her
record title:
Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
name:
Bridget Hanley
registration district:
Limerick
event type:
BIRTHS
registration quarter and year:
Oct - Dec 1893
i sent you an email there as well, lookin for a few details cos i've reached a dead end with cert searching as Ireland didn't register anything before the year 1864 :( i can from the parish church but i need to know the date of birth, priest and district in which people were baptised, (kinda defeats the purpose when your tryin to find out yourself lol!)
i think this is Hanora
Hanora Hanly
Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
birth:
Jan - Mar 1894 — Limerick
record title:
Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
name:
Hanora Hanly
registration district:
Limerick
event type:
BIRTHS
registration quarter and year:
Jan - Mar 1894
volume number:
5
and i think this might be a marriage for her she would have been 23. :)
Hanora Hanly
Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
residence:
Limerick
marriage:
Apr - Jun 1917 — Limerick
ye never know :)
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i worked out she wud have been 6 in 1901 n yes the info i got martin n anne r her parents
i found hanora im think that the site i got may have the yr wrong coz it said 23 march 1896 her parent martin hanly n anna hanly she was from donoughmore
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oh cool :) im tryin to see if anyone related to Johns brothers and sisters are out there. there seems to be many hanly families with children the same names in different years! i guess some names were popular and most people were called after other people. was gonna ask is martin's age on his marriage cert?
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So as i've established throughout my research,the Hanly's never had an "e" in it from the beginning. I got the official birth cert of John Hanly and there is no e in the surname of him or his parents. i also got word back from the Garda museum and they informed me this :"When a person applied to join An Garda Siochana, he was required to show a Birth or Baptismal Certificate.
That name is the one that was used for official purposes.
It was not changed in any way.
This is the case with member **, John Hanly"
so it wasn't changed in the force because someone else joined with the same name. This is supported by the written birth cert i obtained which says Hanly. The government didn't take out the "e" either. back when ireland was under the british rule, it is said that a lot of the irish dropped the "O" or "Mac" from their names to avoid persecution, and anglicized their names. So originally the name Hanley/Hanly came from the name Ó'hAinle (O'Hanley/Hanly). I guess the "e" appearing in Hanley was just the way the person at the registrar wrote it down and it was never corrected. Once a birth cert is written in ireland it cannot be changed in any way shape or form. Unless you change it yourself to another spelling by deed pole, the name as it is on your birth cert remains so. Interesting how names change even if its slight :)
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well your going to love me because i managed to work out mary mc grath brother name so far!!!
they lived at 6 gallwshill athy (1911)
there was john jn - 16
willie( william) - 12
joe (joseph)- 8
may think it incorrect but it mary 6
chritsy - 4
now dad remembers a tom , mike ,patrick, james with make 9 chn! n the census said she had 10 chn 9 living
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Blimey you are inspector morse haha :) fair play 2 ya! Thats def them. On the marriage cert they got married in Athy so obviously her home town, her father was John (as recorded on the cert) and William (Willie) was a witness on her marriage day. I'd say her name was mary on her birth cert, and funnily enough Siobhain said your grandmother was known as May, and that her mother was Maisie :) wow cool! no wonder i couldnt find them! with the Mc separated from the Grath :) and she May was recorded a minor on the marriage cert (under 21) so she would have been 18 gettin married! great find well done you!! :) x
ps) i found them on the 1901 census http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Burtown/Ardscul/1433518/ they lived in a different place. there's John jn, and Willie, joe and may not born yet obv in 1901. there seems there was Lilly but she died and as it said in 1911 10 chn born 9 living. thats sad.. your dad remembers Michael and James and they are on this census too :).. again great find :) cheers for that :D you still coming to Clonbullogue? :D