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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: KitCarson on Friday 16 July 10 14:31 BST (UK)
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Am I right in thinking that copies of these records are held at St Helens Library but those relating to individuals with surnames begining A-E (or something like that) are missing? Kit
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I have no idea about the holders of the records but have you checked out :
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/
A History of Prescot Union Workhouse, Whiston, Lancashire by Pauline Hurst (2009).
Buy the book and/or the CD (contains a digital version of the book + extras) —
The book is £10 (plus £1.25 UK p&p) Cheques payable to Pauline Hurst (or Paypal paulinej.hurst@sky.com)
The CD is £10 (plus £1.25 UK p&p) Cheques payable to St Helens Townships FHS (or Paypal townshipsFHS@googlemail.com)
Non-Paypal orders should be sent to: Publications, St Helens Townships FHS, 6 Gainford Close, Widnes, Cheshire WA8 4UN.
For any further queries, please contact the Townships FHS via their website.
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Hi Bilge, thanks for the information on the publication. It might become more relevant as I unearth the many ancestors in the St Helens area.
At the moment I'm more interested in what records are accessible at the library (or via other means). I will be at the library in the next week or so and just wanted to focus on what records were available. Kit
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Hi Kit!
I noted your post as I was searching for information on the Whiston Workhouse and wondered if you'd found out anything from your visit. My 2X Great Grandfather, George Tebb, died in that workhouse in 1880 and if your theory was correct about lists of names being held at the library it might mean that his name was/is listed there.
Quite a number of my forbears are from the St Helens area and although I've had a good deal of help in connection with his son, also a George Tebb who was prominent in the Salvation Army, I've yet to find out whether George Tebb (Senior) is listed anywhere.
If you could give a rough guide as to what resources the library holds I'd be very grateful.
Cheers
Gill
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Hi Gill, unfortunately, I didn't manage to get to St Helens over the summer. I am due to visit at the end of this week though and will make some enquiries for you.
Kit
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Hi Kit,
That would be excellent - thanks for that. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
I note that one of your name interests is 'Rimmer' and I've got a feeling that the name is somehow connected to my own family in the area (Tebb, Shepherd, Ashcroft, Crompton etc) and I must look back through the various 'twigs' of the tree to see where it occurs.
Cheerio for now
Gill
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Ah - just a follow up...
An Ann Rimmer (aged 28) was buried in the same grave as Tebbs and Hills (related through second marriage) and Ashcrofts and can be found on the St Helens Council website for burials and cremations. Search here:
http://crem.oltps.sthelens.gov.uk/crem/servlet/Telesearch#results
I must find out what the link between the families is... unless you already know?
Cheerio
Gill
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Hi Gill
If you PM me with some dates etc for your George Tebbs, I can check the workhouse records if they are available. I'll also ask what date ranges they have or where else records can be found and let you know.
As for Ann Rimmer in the cemetery (1902), she may be related :-\ I have only just found what might be a Rimmer link to the Hills but it needs a lot more research. My Ashcrofts are on my Paternal side (Carson) so probably not linked from the same direction. Currently have not Tebbs.
Cheers, Kit
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Erm - what does PM mean?
Right.... George Tebb (who died in Whiston Workhouse in 1880) was born in Bootle cum Linacre, Liverpool (not registerd!) and was baptised on 2 Jul 1841 Ormskirk. His death was on 6 Nov 1880 and buried on 8 Nov 1880 St Helens. He apparently died of 'mania and apoplexy' which is interesting and rather fits in with the mental health problems that many of the Tebb family suffered (from way back in Yorkshire and down to the present day in both descendants!) He was a tailor, apparently, but had previously been in the 18th Hussars (who apparently served in India for a time) and perhaps it was this experience that upset his mental equilibrium. He was only 39 when he died... so it doesn't seem to add up that he was only suffering from a mental condition. (It could be that I've misunderstood what the condition might have entailed, however! ???)
(It was this George Tebb's son, also George Tebb, who was 'big' in the Salvation Army (1872-1929) in St Helens... but that's a separate story)
I'm intrigued about the Rimmer connection (Ann Rimmer) and will have to see what I can find out... she was 28 at her death so it isn't possible to say, at the moment, if she was married or single and there are LOADS of Ann Rimmers for Lancashire and Prescot registration area. Still we'll see what turns up!
All the best,
Gill
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Gill
Sorry, I hadn't realised you were a relatively new to the site. PM is 'personal message' which means you can send me a message direct without it being posted on the site. We can then share personal contact details if we like. If you click on my name and scroll down, it will give you an option to send a PM. Anyway, you've posted the info and I'll do all I can to get you a result. I can totally appreciate where you are coming from with family mental health problems, there is enough evidence of past and present incidence of this in my family history.
If I can find the time tonight, I'll try and pull together the supporting information on the possible Rimmer/Hill connection and PM you with it.
Speak soon. Kit
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Hi Gill, I thought I'd post this on the site rather than PM. It may be that others are wondering about Whiston Workhouse records available at St Helens Central Library.
Firstly, I'll put you out of your misery and let you know that he doesn't appear in the records held at the library.
Unfortunately, although they have is a book entitled 'Admission and Discharge Register 1870-1898', it has very little before 1890. The records are shown alphabetically by surname, but there are no records at all for surnames A-F.
I understand that Preston Records Office may hold more, but can't verify that.
Kit
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Thank you most heartily, Kit, for all your efforts. I sort of feared that nothing would be available but kept a spark of hope just in case. However, I hope that you found what you were looking for and that it wasn't a fruitless search in terms of information that you were seeking.
Once again, thanks a lot for your efforts,
Gill
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The only archives available at Preston for Whiston Workhouse are the Minutes of the guardians. The meetings which were held fortnightly were published in the local papers. They may not mention the names of all inmates but I have come across some names. The master of the workhouse had to read from his punishment book and and these are included in the newspaper reports. Apparantly records apart from the ones available at St Helens were burnt.
This is a extract taken from the meeting of the Prescot Guardians held on 18th January 1881 and published in The Prescot Reporter 29th January 1881
"Mary Slowey for assaulting Ann Ellison three meals of bread and water"
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Hi there, You might also consider 'thinking laterally' and looking up the history of the place as names do get mentioned here and there, Flower
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Thanks oldbones and Flower. Unfortunately, not too great at thinking laterally, any suggestions welcomed :)
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Hi Kit, Have you already tried the website,book and Preston records mentioned in this thread? Flower
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I've looked at the history of the workhouse, tried to search what might be held at Preston, which doesn't appear to be anything other than Plans for the building. I've put in some searches at the National Archives A2A and found mention of Baptism/Marriages/Burials which I'll plan a trip to view and there is mention of documents held at St Helens Library.
The book/CD will have to wait until sufficient funds are available.
Kit
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Hi Kit, Halton Library have the book so you could order it from your local library? Flower
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That sounds like a good idea. Although I live in Edinburgh, maybe my local or the National Library can order it for me.
Kit
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It sounds like a very interesting book. I have my 3xgreat grandfather William Foster who died in 1883 in Whiston Workhouse so I'm also trying to find out about the place. Even general stuff is fascinating as the institution evolved to modern needs. Flower
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If you go to Lancashire OPC site,click on Parishes.,click on Prescot.
You will find lots of burials of people with the address Whiston Union.
There are records for Prescot.,Whiston.,Burtonwood,and more dating from 1625 to 1900.
I am tracing my grandmothers' paternal line,Whitfield,and have got lots of info on this site.
Hope this is of help to you.
Elaine
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Hi Elaine, Lancashire OPC is a great resource isn't it. I had thought that my GGM was born in the workhouse but mis-interpreted the census. She was born somewhere close by, in Turnpike Lane.
Kit