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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: millerhistory on Friday 16 July 10 14:14 BST (UK)
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Canadian help wanted to find out more about my Gt. Uncle Fred Rothwell aged 24 and Gt. Aunt Annie Rothwell aged 26 in 1912 when the emigrated to Toronto from Newchurch Lancashire England They left Liverpool on 15th March 1912 aboard the “Victorian” destined for Halifax and Toronto.
I know they visited England in 1915 and returned to Toronto in May 1915 but nothing after that.
I have a few postcards they sent to my Grandmother from Toronto. They may have settled there and had family? or moved on, he was a Butcher by trade.
I’d love to find out more and would greatly appreciate any help on how to go about this.
Many thanks
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There 's a 1923 Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A) in Annie's name.Age 37 Husband Fred Rothwell,it says birthplace Waterfoot,England.First arrived in Canada on 24th March 1912,this trip back to England was to visit her parents.
Her home address in Toronto at the time was 597 Woodbine Avenue.
Also says nearest rellie in England father James Caygill? 2 Rockliffe Bacup.
Carol
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Carol
Many thanks, my home town is Waterfoot so that is her. Would that mean her trip was alone without husband Fred? perhaps her parents were ill. I don't have here unmarried family and parents name so should look that up.
How might I follow up your Woodbine Avenue lead? census, voters, births, deaths to find out more about their lives in Toronto?
Thank you
John
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Hopefully someone from Canada will be along soon with info on how to trace them further.
Fred also has a Form 30a(22 July 1923) for the same trip- info virtually the same- he's a farm butcher,his next of kin in UK is his mum,Mrs Rothwell 58 Turnpike Waterfoot .
Carol
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Think this is their marriage?
Marriages Jun 1909
CAYGILL Annie Haslingden 8e 282
ROTHWELL Fred Haslingden 8e 282
You should be able to find them here in 1911 then.
Carol
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Carol
This is great, I've double checked my source, a hand drawn fasmily tree sketch I jotted down from my Grandmother (over 45 years ago) and yes it notes Fred was married to Anny Cagill.
It also shows a note added by my Uncle on a trip over from Australia (over 30 years ago) that adds Fred's Sister Doris born 1884 died Canada no family. So I wonder if an unmarried Doris Rothwell went to join her brother Fred and sister in law Annie in Canada?
Would your passenger data have anything for Doris Rothwell?
Thanks
John
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Yep :D
On 21st Nov 1919 Doris Rothwell aged 35 landed in Quebec on the Empress of France , it says she was a domestic and going to visit her brother(no name given!) It does say under religion Wes (Wesleyan?)
I'll see what else I can find.
Carol
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Carol
Even better, for my first day at serious research. I got some help from the library with access to Ancestry but the computers there were so slow that I have waited until now when I have more time.
I just signed up to RootsChat athis morning and have a trial subscription to Ancestry although not got into that yet.
Where are you getting the passenger data from is it Ancestry or another provider?
Thanks
John
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I have a worldwide subscription to Ancestry which gives me the Canadian stuff that I've found. I also subscribe to Find My Past which you can usually get the outgoing passengers on- but although they have the ship that Doris went out on,they do not seem to have indexed her by name.
There are 42 pages to search through page by page,so that isn't really feasible,and the info often isn't any different than the Ancestry lists anyway.
You need JJ from the Canadian board- he seems to have access to loads of info.
Happy hunting,
Carol
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Carol
Ok Many thanks
John
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Welcome to RootsChat, John.
This looks like Fred's address in 1921 (472 Pape Avenue):
http://www.rootschat.com/links/097g/
I choose "Read Online"
If the link works, additional "early" Toronto directories:
http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=toronto%20directories
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Perhaps there were two men living in Toronto with the same name who had the occupation of butcher?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/097h/
This Frederick Rothwell was born in 1890 in Toronto.
There is one other Frederick Rothwell, but he was born in 1891 (in Lancashire, mother Catherine):
http://www.rootschat.com/links/097i/
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If you are interested in seeing old photographs of Toronto (including the area around Yonge and Wilton):
http://www.toronto.ca/archives/photographs/index.htm
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The Pape Av is a possibility, but as you say neither of the Fredericks' dates fit.
Wikepedia says about the Pape Av. area "Historically, the entire area was known as "Todmorden" ... named by John Eastwood, an early settler in the early 19th century, who believed that the landscape was reminiscent of Todmorden in Yorkshire, England."
Spookily I was born in Todmorden Yorkshire which is a few miles from my family home area in Lancashire where Fred and Annie Rothwell lived. Perhaps they chose to settle there because of the name reminded them of home and there were other Lancashire/Yorkshire people there!
I'm amazed by these coincidences or connections?
Many thanks Lisa
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John:
I was initially interested in your gt uncle, as one of my Mumford ancestors immigrated to Toronto in 1857 and his occupation was a butcher. He owned one or two shops in Toronto, but not near where you Fred lived. There's no connection with your gt uncle; I was just curious about him.
If you might have Fred's exact date of birth, please, it might help if we run across further records.
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I tried an internet search for Frederick Rothwell (born 1890 in Toronto, who stated he was a butcher) and it appears that his father was Alfred Rothwell and Emily Donelly.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maryc/grey1923p2.htm
Frederick Charles Rothwell, age 32, residing at 148 Marguerette, Toronto, married Grace May Pinder, 19 September 1923.
Maybe your Frederick didn't remain in Toronto?
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You could look at http://pagesofthepast.ca/ (Toronto newspapers)
http://www.islandnet.com/ocfa/search.php - there are a Fred and an Annie Rothwell indexed here as at Toronto Necropolis, no other clues to say if they're the right pair or not (you'd have to ask for the full info).
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Thank you for finding the links
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