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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: Bilham on Tuesday 13 July 10 23:50 BST (UK)
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:)Hello
This is my first ever posting here so please forgive me if this all goes wrong!
I'm researching the Laugharne family which is one of the branches of my tree. I have reasonable clarity on an Evangeline (Eva) Laugharne. She was born in Fishguard, Pembrokeshire on 13 September 1857. Her parents were William Laugharne (b Fishguard 1819 and Ann Griffiths b 1819). William's parents were John Laugharne and Grace but I have no further details (eg maiden name of wife and earlier ancestors). Ann's parents were William Griffiths and Harriet but again no further details (eg maiden name of wife and earlier ancestors). This is as far as I can research at the moment.
The surname "Laugharne" isn't that common so I am hoping others will be able to help. By the way, when searching on Ancestry many of the Laugharnes have been transcribed as "Langham"! It took me ages to spot this.
Bilham
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Hello
Found William and Ann Laugharne in 1881 in Swansea? They were at 39 Underhill St, Swansea, and Evangeline and husband appear to be visiting.
William Laugharne Head Age 60 born Dinas, Pembroke Hay & Corn Merchant
Ann Laugharne Wife Age 61 born Fishguard, Pembroke
Arthur Meylor Gr Son Age 10 born Fishguard, Pembroke
Alfred Jenkins Visitor Age 23 born Swansea, Glamorgan
Evangeline Jenkins Visitor Age 24 born Fishguard, Pembroke
RG11 Piece 5358 Folio 120 Page 62
Morgan
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Next door at no 40 Underhill St was Ann E Laugharne age 40, a Shipmaster's wife, born in Fishguard
Which records do you have already and for which Swansea records do you need help? :)
modified - should have said Welcome to Rootschat :)
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Ann Laugharne died at Swansea in 1896 age 75
Swansea Vol 11a Page 530
William Laugharne died in Swansea in 1898 age 77
Swansea Vol 11a 461
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:)Wow. Thanks Morganllan. I'm taken aback that someone has replied so quickly. I had them in 1881 with Eva and her husband Alfred staying with them overnight. I'll have a look at the record for next door and see if I can place Ann E Laugharne. They had a daughter called Ann E but she was born in 1852 so would only be 29 in 1881??
On the deaths, I had William dieing in 1906 in Cardiganshire but the one you found is more compelling. I need to get the death cert to check. Thanks very much for finding this.
What I need to do is three things.
1 To trace back John Laugharne and his wife Grace; I have no records on them.
2 To trace back Ann Griffiths' parents, William and Harriett; again I have no records on them.
3 Finally, and most interestingly, I'm sure there is a tale to be discovered around Evangeline (I'm related to her). In December 1880 she married Alfred Benjamin Jenkins. (They had a son - Ernest William on 10th July 1881 - ie Eva was pregnant when she married Alfred). Tragically Alfred died on 13th April 1886 aged only 28. He died at Bennett St, Landore of "Cerebral apoplexy - 2 hours asphyxia". His father was present at the death. This is the third thing I'd like to research. How did he die? Are there any newspaper articles covering this?
(Actually, there's a fourth to research and that is that Eva then appears in September 1901 in Sheffield marrying Thomas Richard Thornton - how did she get there? What happened to encourage her to move from Swansea to Sheffield with her young son Ernest?
Thanks
Bilham
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Bilham,
Ann E in 1881 is likely to be a daughter-in-law of William and Ann.
Re. John Laugharne and Grace, it's probably best to post a new thread on Pembrokeshire Forum (with a link to this post). Same for William and Harriet Griffiths, as they seem to be Pembrokeshire based rather than Swansea.
Interesting but in 1888 there a couple of references to Evangeline Jenkins in the Cambrian News (see index)
17 August 1888 SWANSEA POLICE COURT EVIDENCE. MRS EVANGELINE JENKINS.
19 October 1888 GLAMORGAN SESSIONS: EVANGELINE JENKINS -V- THOMAS BROWN - THEFT AT LANDORE.
you should be able to get copies from Swansea Archives. Cambrian Index link:
http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=6197
If this is the same lady, no wonder she left Swansea :(
Best Wishes
Morgan
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Here's the death notice but it may not say very much from previous experience:
16 April 1886
APRIL 13, AT HIS HOME,THE ALMA HOTEL,LANDORE,ALFRED B.JENKINS, AGED 26,THE SON OF PHILIP JENKINS,BELLEVUE STREET SWANSEA.
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Morganlllan
Thanks you're a star! I've fired an email off to the Cambrian Index to get a copy. I'm guessing that there must be some way of getting a transcript of the case and I've asked if they know how but as you seem to be "in the know" do you know how to get case transcripts?
On the death notice, the interesting thing is that his home is an hotel. I've tried searching the Cambrian to see if there is any mention of him around that time, but nothing. I would have thought such a death would get into the papers though.
I'll post in the Pembrokeshire to see what I get.
Bilham :)
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Bilham
I'm not familiar with Court records but found this link for Swansea Archives:
http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=27309
Good luck with the Pembrokeshire thread :)
Morgan
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Dear Morgan
I thought you'd be interested in what I have found since you pointed me in the direction of the Cambrian. We both suspected that Evangeline was a bit of a naughty lady but I'm not sure that was the case, I think she was more likely an innocent party.
Of the two court cases one involved a case of malicious damage against an Ann Burns who had broken two pains of glass in the window of the Prince Royal public-house. Evangeline gave evidence. (The court transcript - hand written - refers to the Prince Royal being the dwellinghouse of Evangeline although this isn't referred to in the newspaper article).
The other court case was the theft by a Thomas Brown of three silver watches, two gold rings and 22s 2d in money from the dwelling of Evangeline Jenkins at Landore. He was sent down for three months.
It is interesting that some two years earlier Alfred Jenkins died at the Alma Pub which was his residence and then in 1888 Evangeline appeared to own (or tenant) a pub in Morriston and have a house in Landore (2.5 miles away).
Is there any way we can research this?
Bilham
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Hello
I realised that Evangeline was a witness in the court case rather than the accused. :)
The Alma Inn is still at Landore:
10 Bennett Street, Landore, Swansea SA1 2QH
but I'm not sure about the Prince Royal unless it's the Old Prince Inn at Clyndu Street. (Not that I'm an expert on pubs in that area!)
Morriston Camera Club have some old photos of the town on their site, and there are contact details on their members page. They may be able to help.
http://www.morristoncameraclub.btinternet.co.uk/homepage.htm
Best Wishes
Morgan
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Thanks Morgan
For your interest, Eva seems to have been wronged left right and centre!
I've now followed her to Northumberland where she met and moved in with Thomas Thornton. She later married him but he turned out to be married to someone else! I'm tracing the court case with a very helpful rootschater with connections up there. We've got details of the initial hearing but not any subsequent one. (They eventually married "properly" having moved to Sheffield).
Thanks for the info about the Alma etc, I'll contact the camera club.
All the best and thanks for your continuing interest.
Bilham
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I am fascinated by this thread as I have done quite a bit of research on the Laugharne family of Dinas and Newport, Pembrokeshire, some of whom were my maternal ancestors.
It seems to me that a bit of confusion is creeping in here because there were 3 William Laugharnes born in the North Pembs area within a few years of each other. You say in your original posting that your William Laugharne was born in Fishguard in 1819. There is indeed a William Laugharne who was a mariner who was born in Fishguard around that time. You can check out more details of his career at sea on http://www.welshmariners.org.uk.
Now the William Laugharne, corn merchant, at 39 Underhill St, Swansea on the 1881 Census was, I'm fairly certain, the son of Thomas and Mary Laugharne from Bwlchmawr in Dinas. My reason for thinking this is because in 1884 that there is an entry in the wills index at the PRO to the effect "Personal estate of Mary Laugharne, wife of Thomas Laugharne, late of Bwlchmawr in the Parish of Dinas Pambs who died 16th November 1866 at Bwlchmawr was proved at Carmarthen by William Laugharne of 39, Charlton Terrace Swansea, Gla, corn merchant the son the surviving executor. Probate being granted under certain limitations". Why he was so late presenting this will is another story..... I have never been able to find a baptism record for him, so I would be interested to know if anyone else has.
There's a third William Laugharne, also a mariner, who was born in Newport in 1819. He was baptised at Ebenezer chapel in Newport and was the son of John and Eleanor Laugharne of Pant in Neport. He is also listed on http://www.welshmariners.org.uk. He married an Eleanor Griffiths in Newport on 28th Nov 1845 and I have baptisms for two of his sons in Newport and a lot more information about the Pant branch of the family, if you do find this is the right one.
I think this all needs a lot more unpicking. Why did all these people insist on having the same names :-[ . I'm wondering if the shipmaster Laugharne, living at no 40 Underhill St was the one that you want and that Alfred and Evangeline were being put up next door for some reason. After all it says "visitor" rather than daughter by Evangeline's name.... just a thought.
I'm copying this to the Pembrokeshire list as I see that some of the thread is on there as well.
Good luck
Vivien
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:)Hey Vivien, thanks for the info. I'm just packing for hols so will look at all this when I get back. Why can't we have a law banning the use of the same names!!
Bilham