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Title: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: karhel on Monday 12 July 10 21:24 BST (UK)
Hi
I have recently obtained details of my ancestors marriage
Is it possible to get marriage records  -

Newtownards Roman Catholic Church   Rev. P. McConvey  Sept. 1873.
Also will these records give me the parents names.

Thank you
Karhel.
Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: kingskerswell on Monday 12 July 10 21:56 BST (UK)
Hi,
   Some detail is available on the internet including fathers' names which we may be able to obtain if we had the names of the bride and groom. It is possible to get the certificate from GRONI.

Regards
Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: karhel on Tuesday 13 July 10 10:05 BST (UK)
Thanks for replying

I managed to get info of the internet, unfortunately the father's names  stated only the surname.

Names were   James Quinn and Isabella Bohill, (Bohal, Boughan)  13th Sept. 1872
Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: kingskerswell on Tuesday 13 July 10 12:00 BST (UK)
Hi,
   The marriage which I found was on 13 Sept 1873 (not 1872) in Newtownards Roman Catholic Church. The bride was named as Isabella BOHILL and fathers' names were Patrick Quinn and Thomas Bohill.

Regards
Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: karhel on Tuesday 13 July 10 21:16 BST (UK)
Hi
Sorry I put 2 instead of 3 .   
That's great - It didn't show the christian names for the fathers on the one I found.
Perhaps now I can go a little further.
Thanks very much
Karhel
Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Tuesday 13 July 10 22:23 BST (UK)
rose davies Co down website -use google, has under
Churches Newtownards
no graveyard; PRONI & NLI have baptisms 1864- 1880; UHF has baptisms 1818-1900 & marriages 1825-1900;

good luck, jim
Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Tuesday 13 July 10 22:28 BST (UK)
also on Ros davies website
Miss Isabella BOHAL . Comber wife of James Quinn;mother of Patrick b. 1874 CR
keep going
Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Tuesday 13 July 10 22:33 BST (UK)
keep an eye on griffiths valuation use google and ask ireland  eg
Bohill, Thomas, Market, Street,, Com’, , Householder 1863, 4
Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: karhel on Thursday 15 July 10 10:47 BST (UK)
Hi
Thanks for all your advice.      I had found Isabella Bohal on the Ros.Davies site but will certainly use the other sites.     I have noticed her name is spelt three difference ways depending where you look.
many thanks
Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: megmooney on Thursday 29 September 11 03:59 BST (UK)
I was interested in the mention of Isabella Bohill.
My g grandfather John Mooney was a stone mason and rangesetter
He came from Dublin to Newtownards, Co Down, to install kitchen ranges in the big houses.
The kitchen in Lord Dunleath's house, Ballywalter Park was renovated in the early 1850's, and we wondered if the Great Dublin Industrial exhibition of 1853 was where John Mooney was recruited. There was a Mooney stand at this.
John Mooney married Roseanne Murray in St Patrick's Newtownards June 1861 , and settled there.
He died 1887 aged c63.
Roseanne (Murray) Mooney is in the census for Newtownards and died around Nov. 1911. Census said she was born in Downpatrick. The grave beside my g grandparents in Movilla Cemetery was registered to a John Murray.
A John Murray & Jane Hay had children baptised N'ards. Sponsor for Margaret b23-10-1864 was Isabella Bohill. John Murray & Jane Hay married St Mark's Newtownards 1855, but didn't find earlier baptisms?
Roseanne's mother is in Griffith's Valuations living in Church St Newtownards.



Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: megmooney on Thursday 29 September 11 05:11 BST (UK)
Headstone on grave beside ours Movilla is for John Murray b 1910 father Pat Murray mother Phoebe McGinnis. In census for Ballygraffin townland.
He died 7th Jan 1981 His wife Ellie died 13th March 1986.

Patrick Murray Ballycranmore m Phoebe McGinnis of Ballycranmore in Ballycran (Mount St Joseph's)
B8 P23 No242 31-10-1906
Fathers John Murray dec. peddlar John McGinnis dec. labourer
Witnesses John Magee Mary Murray

Pat's parents as far as I know (baptisms in St Patrick's Newtownards a bit confusing) John Murray 39  labourer Ballycranmore M Nancy Crawford 28 housewife Kirkistown in M. St Joseph's
B6 P 26 No 51 1882
Fathers John Murray peddlar living James Crawford dec.
Witnesses James Carpenter & Nancy Smyth..
 
Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: karhel on Saturday 29 October 11 20:39 BST (UK)
Hi megmooney
Apologies for not replying.   
Looking at your post 03.59   mentioning Isabella Bohill.  My Isabella, father Thomas, was married to James Quinn, 1873. Annie Quinn being the familys Grandmother.    Do you know anything about  Isabella.   I was hoping to find a birth - I understand around Newtownards,Co.Down. c1850

Also I was interested in John Mooney Stonemason.    My g.grandfather was Thomas FitzGerald who was a Stonemason.   born in Dublin c1823. and died around 1873???

You may find some info on John Mooney in the 'Dictionary of Irish Architects' where I was given (if the correct person) some info on 2 Thomas FitzGeralds.


karhel
Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: megmooney on Tuesday 01 November 11 03:21 GMT (UK)
Hello again Karhel,

Just found this other message.
I was at St Patrick's Newtownards a few weeks ago.
I didn't really find anything new.

The records don't go far enough back to get Isabella's birth, and I couldn't see them myself, to look for clues.

There were Bohills and Murrays in the census for Downpatrick, and in Griffith's as well, I think, so I wondered if Isabella and my Murrays were neighbours there at one time.
Catholic records there aren't good either.

Some Murrays in N'Ards have  connections with Kilcairn Graveyard Killinchey.

The priest seems to think the grave next to ours belonged to John Murray & Jane Hay, although I found another possible John Murray, wife Margaret. I haven't found a marriage or births in Newtownards that fit for this couple.
In those days Comber & Bangor R. C. records were in with St Patrick's.

St Marks have no baptism's before c 1885, but St Pat's have some prior to 1864.
A different Murray Baptism had an Annie Quinn as sponsor.
John Murray b 31-08-1864 parents Michael Murray & Mary Ward sponsor Annie Quinn.

I'll let you know if I find more re Isabella Bohill.



Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: karhel on Thursday 03 November 11 13:38 GMT (UK)
HI, thanks for the info.   I don't think the Annie Quinn is mine.    Annie Quinn with mother Isabella Bohill, wasn't born until 1880 and then came to England, marrying my grandfather, whose name, you can't believe, was Jonny Murray, but from Manchester.
just a coincidence!!!!
Perhaps you may come across info on Isabella Bohill, or as I've seen it, spelt Bohan.

Thank you
Karhel.
Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: megmooney on Thursday 03 November 11 23:30 GMT (UK)
Hello Karhel, I think the Annie Quinn may have been one of the Quinn family from Ann St Newtownards. They were there for many years.

My maternal g grandparents were George Drysdale and Annie Quinn!!! G g grandfather was James Quinn of Cloughey.
His will is on the PRONI site.
George and Annie are in the census, and lived at that time near "my" John Murray who was born 1910.

The Newtownards Quinns thought they were related to my g grandmother, but we never compared notes.

I have seen the name "Bohill" also spelled "Boal"& "Bole".

Will look out for Isabella.

My first message dissappeared for some reason, so it may show up too!

Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: megmooney on Wednesday 11 January 12 02:29 GMT (UK)
Hello Karhel,
Haven't done much more research, but I bought a book "A Chronicle of Comber The Town of Thomas Andrews shipbuilder " by Desmond Rainey and Laurence Spence, published by the Ulster Historical Foundation.
There is a photo of workers at Comber Flax Spinning Mill 1873.
A Bella Bohil is mentioned, among others, as working in the reeling room.
It's a pity the workers in the photo aren't identified.

Regards,
Meg
Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: Robbie Cole on Tuesday 06 May 14 08:08 BST (UK)
Karhel: I'm not sure if you still frequent this site, but I believe that we have a number of shared relations from Belfast - I'm currently looking into my mother's family, and during a search for Isabella Quinn Bohal came across your query.

My mother b. 1944, who lived in the Newtonards area - had parents John Curley and Cecilia Quinn. Cecilia Quinn's parents were James Quinn and Isabella Quinn Bohal, with father Patrick Quinn born 1st September 1874 - which is another exact match for your query! Apparently Isabella came from a very proper family, so you weren't allowed to call her 'Bella' - it was the full name or nothing :-)

Both of my mother's parents passed away within 6 months of each other around 1962, and she and her sister came over to stay with relatives in Manchester for a short while. She's 70 this year and has a sudden interest in finding out what happened to everyone that she lost touch with both in Ireland and the UK. we have a lot more detail about her father's family, so she's asked me to start digging into her mother's side.

Would you mind dropping me a message please when you're online - I'm a newbie so can't send you a direct message, any info very much appreciated!
Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: scotmum on Tuesday 06 May 14 09:40 BST (UK)
What a great first post that will hopefully prove fruitful.

Karhel's profile indicate's they were still active on site as recently as February this year, so hopefully they will reply soon (as they should receive an email saying a post has been made to this thread).
 
Meantime, as your mum is still alive, it is probably best that you amend your post to remove her name (it's Rootschat policy that members don't post details of living persons).

 :)

Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: karhel on Friday 09 May 14 20:54 BST (UK)
Hi Robbie
 
Received your rootschat post re Bohill/Quinn.
 
All the names you mention seem very familiar.     What part of the city  did your mother visit
when she came  to Manchester?    I know a couple of Isabella's sons lived in Manchester in the early 1900s.
My connection is with a sister of Cecilia (b.1890)??  named Annie (1880) (my husband's grandmother)
I knew James Quinn's father was Patrick.   But the Patrick you mention I have as the brother of Cecilia (01.09.1874)

Hope these few details confirm we are of the same 'family'

Regards
Karhel


Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: Robbie Cole on Tuesday 13 May 14 10:26 BST (UK)
Hi Karhel,

I'm still trying to get the full details of the tree nailed down, and you're highlighting a lot of gaps, but what I have up to now is as follows:

Patrick Quinn's father: James Quinn - flax dresser in Comber.

Mother: Isabella Quinn Bohal

Patrick Quinn b. 01/09/1874, Maryborough Terrace, Comber. Patrick married Alice Anne Quinn nee McCann around 1896.

Their kids were:

John, Cecilia (my grandmother / mum's mother, b. 16/12/1910), Sarah, Isabella, William and James.

I've just spoken to my mum, and she doesn't know whether Patrick had any siblings - from what you're saying, there're at least two (Cecilia and Anne, your connection) that we didn't know about, assuming that there is actually a connection in our family lines. The dates for Patrick Quinn coupled with the Quinn Bohal name would certainly seem to indicate a connection - it would also explain why my grandmother's name was Cecilia!

Regarding Patrick Quinn, apparently he used to work over in Salford for a while, which is why my grandmother (Cecilia) was born on the mainland. Additionally, my grandmother's brother John moved to Salford, which is where my mum ended up when her parents passed away.

Is that sounding any more likely re: there being a connection?

Kind regards,

Robbie.
Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: karhel on Tuesday 13 May 14 22:36 BST (UK)
Hi Robbie,

Thanks for your email.      I'm still a little confused with some of the names.

I'll put down what I think.

James Quinn married Isabella  13.09.1873.    Father of James - Patrick,  Father of Isabella  Thomas.

Children of James/Isabella:   Patrick 01.09.74  (married Alice  ? - lived in Salford, 1911 census, with James,12.   sibling ????     John 12.01.76  (lived in Bradford, M/cr 1911 census  - Son John lived with Quinn family + in Dale St. M/cr 1911 census)           Annie  15.05.1880.       Hugh 1882.     Thomas 1883.   James  1887.   Cecilia  1890 (is on the 1901 N.I. census)  ???

Isabella was a widow in 1901 on the NI census.    they lived Grove St. East.

I dont seem to work out your grandmother ??  born 1910. who was her mother/father????


Hope this info helps you, but please correct me if mine is wrong.    Its always hard to work out
the irish ancesters.

Regards

Karhel
 


Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: Robbie Cole on Wednesday 14 May 14 08:20 BST (UK)
Hi Kerhal,

From your posts it looks like my mother's grandfather - Patrick Quinn - had a load of siblings that we had no clue about, and it appears that they liked to use the same names over multiple generations...

If I'm reading your posts correctly, Patrick's "missing" (from our perspective) siblings are as follows:

James
John
Annie 
Hugh
Thomas
James
Cecilia

Patrick's wife we have down as Alice Ann McCann b. 08/08/1877, who married Patrick in St Malachy's Church, Belfast, on 12/07/1896.

Cecilia, my grandmother, is one of the six Patrick and Alice's children listed in the previous post. Confusingly, Alice is sometimes referred to as "Ann" in our family records. BTW, four out of the six of the siblings (Sarah, Isabella, William, James) moved to Detroit in the US back in the '30s. We've had some contact over the years with the family of one of them up until fairly recently.

I think you've just filled in a massive hole in our search - a million more things to check up on as a result, but thank you :-)
Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: karhel on Wednesday 14 May 14 10:00 BST (UK)
Hi Robbie,
Just a quick reply.

John, Annie, Hugh, Thomas, James, Cecilia + patrick  are James/Isabella's children.

Will be in touch.

Karhel
Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: karhel on Wednesday 21 May 14 21:48 BST (UK)
Hi Robbie

Apologies for not replying sooner, had rather a busy two weeks.   Also going on holiday
Friday this week.    Will be in touch asap on my return which is about 09 June.
Sounds a good idea to be in touch with your Mum, 
Take care
Karhel.
Title: Re: Church Records, Newtownards N.I.
Post by: Angela Johnston on Wednesday 14 January 15 17:02 GMT (UK)
Kerhal and Bobby,  My grandmother was a Bohill and I am connected to you both through Isabella Bohill Quinn.  Isabella's mother was Cecelia McGreevy, b.c. 1824, died 5 March 1897 at 69 Grove Street East, Belfast (which is where you located Isabella in 1901).  I can provide the evidence.  Most of James and Isabella Quinn's children were born in Comber (registration district Newtownards) and there is a link to Killinchy St, Comber (the main route heading towards Downpatrick which was where, in fact, the small family of Bohill was concentrated.  Isabella and James Quinn moved to Grove St East in the Mountpottinger area of East Belfast between 1882 and 1887 (the youngest two children were born there).  James Quinn was deceased by the time of the 1901 census but he is recorded as the tenant of 69 Grove St East in the 1901 Street Directory suggesting that he wasn't long deceased.  Any Bohills you locate in County Cavan, Meath/Louth, Dublin or Waterford (from c. 1890s onward) were all members of the same family.  I suspect that they were originally "planters" from North England/Scottish Borders.  Please send me a personal message if you would like to see the evidence for Cecilia McGreevy.  Angela