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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: BridgetM on Sunday 11 July 10 17:51 BST (UK)
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I seem to be getting a bit better at this. There are fewer blanks now than there were on pages 1 and 2.
This is the first half of page 3:
the heirs of his body lawfully begotten The remainder thereof for lack of such issue
to the said John Machell my son and heir apparent And to the heirs of his body
lawfully begotten The remainder thereof for lack of such issue to the right heirs
of me the said John Machell _____ And further I will that after the decease of
the said Joane my wife all those my messuage lands & tenements and heredi-
taments in H_______ _______ in the said Counties of Southampton and Dorset or else
where in the said Counties of Southampton and Dorset And also all that my
said messuage or tenements with the appurtenances in Wood_____ aforesaid in the said parish
of Saint Peter in Westcheape of London shall wholly remain to the said Thomas
Machell my third son and to the heirs of his body lawfully begotten The
remainder thereof for lack of such issue of that the said Joane my wife be with
child with son to the said son by what name soever he shall be called or
named and to the heirs of his body lawfully begotten The remainder thereof
for lack of such issue to the said John Machell my son and heir apparent
and to the heirs of his body lawfully begotten The remainder thereof for lack
of such issue to the said Mathew Machell my second son and to the heirs of
his body lawfully begotten The remainder thereof for lack of such issue
to the right heirs of me the said John Machell ______ And further I give
will and bequeath unto Mathew Machell my seond son _____ ______ ______
half of all my lands meadows and pastures called ________ sett and being in
_______ in the County of ______ And all my messuage lands and tenements and
hereditaments sett lying and being in the parish of Saint Michael at Q__________
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This is the second half of page 3:
________ of London and all my messuage land & tenement and ______ ______
_______ and hereditaments with theirs appurtenances sett lying and being in ___
_____ in the County of Hertford To have and to hold all and singulare the pre
mises last before _____ and bequeathed to the said Mathew my son unto the said
Mathew my son and to the heirs of his body lawfully begotten the remainder
thereof for lack of such issue to the said Thomas Machell my third son
and to the heirs of his body legally begotten The remainder thereof for lack
of such issue if the said Joane my wife be with child with a son to the said son
by what name soever he shall be named or called And to the heirs of his body
lawfully begotten The remainder thereof for lack of such issue to the said
John Machell my son and heir apparent and to the heirs of his body lawfully
begotten The remainder thereof for lack of such issue to the right heirs
of me the said John Machell forever _______ I give will and bequeath
unto the said Thomas Machell my third son the other? _____ or half of
all my said lands meadows and pastures with the appurtenances called or known
by the name of H________ aforesaid in ______ aforesaid in the said County
of _______ And also all my rectories? parsonages and free chapels _______
called or known by the names of _______ _______ Chapel and _______
with the appurtenances in the County of Chester And also all my manors messuage
land tenements meadows pastures ______ ______ _____ ______ ______
_______ ______ _______ profits commodities? And hereditaments what
______ ______ ______ ______ chapel and ______ in the said County of
Chester To have and to hold all and singular the premises last before ______
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Hi
This is my guess ...
the heirs of his body lawfully begotten The remainder thereof for lack of such issue
to the said John Machell my son and heir apparent And to the heirs of his body
lawfully begotten The remainder thereof for lack of such issue to the right heirs
of me the said John Machell friend. And further I will that after the decease of
the said Joane my wife all those my messuage lands & tenements and heredi-
taments in Hynton Deverell in the said Counties of Southampton and Dorset or else
where in the said Counties of Southampton and Dorset And also all that my
said messuage or tenements with the appurtenances in Woodstreet aforesaid in the said parish
of Saint Peter in Westcheape of London shall wholly remain to the said Thomas
Machell my third son and to the heirs of his body lawfully begotten The
remainder thereof for lack of such issue of that the said Joane my wife be with
child with son to the said son by what name soever he shall be called or
named and to the heirs of his body lawfully begotten The remainder thereof
for lack of such issue to the said John Machell my son and heir apparent
and to the heirs of his body lawfully begotten The remainder thereof for lack
of such issue to the said Mathew Machell my second son and to the heirs of
his body lawfully begotten The remainder thereof for lack of such issue
to the right heirs of me the said John Machell friend. And further I give
will and bequeath unto Mathew Machell my seond son _____ ______ ______
half of all my lands meadows and pastures called hangers sett and being in
Tottenham in the County of Midx (Middlesex) And all my messuage lands and tenements and
hereditaments sett lying and being in the parish of Saint Michael at Q__________
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Thank you, so much, Viking Man! Do you think the last word in the first half of the will could possibly be Queen ???
Bridget
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Looks like Queue (nothing around Kew in London?)
Here's my guess on part 2 ...
________ of London and all my messuage land & tenement and ______ ______
_______ and hereditaments with theirs appurtenances sett lying and being in Hatfield
in the County of Hertford To have and to hold all and singulare the pre
mises last before merited and bequeathed to the said Mathew my son unto the said
Mathew my son and to the heirs of his body lawfully begotten the remainder
thereof for lack of such issue to the said Thomas Machell my third son
and to the heirs of his body legally begotten The remainder thereof for lack
of such issue if the said Joane my wife be with child with a son to the said son
by what name soever he shall be named or called And to the heirs of his body
lawfully begotten The remainder thereof for lack of such issue to the said
John Machell my son and heir apparent and to the heirs of his body lawfully
begotten The remainder thereof for lack of such issue to the right heirs
of me the said John Machell forever Moresaid I give will and bequeath
unto the said Thomas Machell my third son the other? monie or half of
all my said lands meadows and pastures with the appurtenances called or known
by the name of Hangers aforesaid in Tottenham aforesaid in the said County
of Midx (middlesex) And also all my rectories? parsonages and free chapels _______
called or known by the names of Sandbache, Holmes, ??happell and Goosetree ??
with the appurtenances in the County of Chester And also all my manors messuage
land tenements meadows pastures ______ ______ _____ ______ ______
_______ ______ _______ profits commodities? And hereditaments what
Sandbache, Holmes, ??happell and Goosetree ?? in the said County of
Chester To have and to hold all and singular the premises last before ______
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Sorry if it a bit vague
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Sandbach, Holmes Chapel and Goostrey are all quite close together, Sandbach a bit further away, claytonbradley
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Vikingman I think it says forever not friend after John Machell twice?
and after my second sonne "thone moitie or half" claytonbradley
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Thank you so much, Viking Man and ClaytonBradley. I Googled "thone moitie" to see what it means. It's amazing how much you can learn when you take up genealogy.
Bridget
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I think line 13 is "Moreover" halfway along and the free chapels are "commonly" called or known, cb
the end "meadows pastures rents ?readmissions fines tithes pensions portions oblations obventions (might have made that up) profits commodities".
If it is rents and readmissions then those are the words at the beginning too, but I am happy to be corrected, clayton bradley
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line 6 , I think it says Hinton Amerall and should be Hinton Admiral. If you google for "hinton admiral" +machell it mentions this bequest to Thomas and tells a bit of the later history of the property.
Roger
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Thanks, Roger! I googled "hinton admiral" +machell and found the British History Online entry.
I also found an Index to Chancery Proceedings 1579-1621, which listed John Machell, Plaintiff, Mathew Machell, Defendant, and these properties: Guilden, Sutton, and Burneside, manors of London, Tottenham, Hatfield, Hinton Admiral, Sandbach, Holmes Chapel and Goostrey.
(How did you know to google Hinton Admiral ???)
Bridget
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Bridget, I think I remembered it from childhood ! I was born in Hampshire (aka County of Southampton), and Hinton Admiral was the name of a station on the railway line to Bournemouth where we often went for holidays. In recent years I discovered that one of my 3xgrandfathers was a farmer at Hinton (without the Admiral, but less than a mile away) in 1841.
Roger
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Hi Bridget
Re the last line of part 1 , page 3: I suspect that this is 'St Michael le Querne' which is a parish in the city of London (it was also called St Michael ad Bladum).
I am new to Rootschat - this is my first post so I trust that I'm not breaching protocol! But in replying, I very much hope you may be able to throw some light on any connection between the Machells and my antecedents, the Bold family (of Lancashire/Cheshire and Hampshire).
My own connection to the Machell family is with Julyan (Juliane) Machell who was the wife of William Bold, of Petersfield, Hampshire. She was born in around 1505, the daughter of Giles Machell. Giles was the Mayor of Petersfield in 1517 and died there in 1521; his will (dated 26 April 1521) indicated that he was survived by 4 children: John, Leonard, Robert and Julyan, (which the will spelt as Gelyan - the wife of William). Julyan also had a brother, John who died in 1522 leaving a will in which he named her as ‘Juliane, the sister wife of William Boold’.
It seems highly likely that Giles was the son of John Machell, born about 1440 (= Ruth Wharton) of Crackenthorpe, Westmoreland. William’s wife was likely to have been named after her Aunt (Julyen, nee Leyborne) the wife of Giles’ brother, Hugh. The fact that Hugh had a brother, Guy who had a son that he named Gyllys (ie Giles), gives support to this hypothesis.
From my research I believe that ‘my’ William Bold was born around 1475, the Son of Sir Henry Bold (1448 – 1497) of Bold Hall, near Widnes, Lancashire. John Machell evidently had close links with the Bold family and, although he moved south from Westmoreland to London, also held land in both Lancashire and Cheshire. My guess is that this was inherited from his father.
One of Sir Henry Bold’s granddaughters, Elizabeth married Matthew Chase of the manor of Chesham – next door to the John Machell’s manor at Wendover. John Machell also had a very close association with Philip Bold (a grandson of Sir Henry) who succeed him the very next year both as Warden and Master of the Clothworkers Company. And he shared the office as Sheriff of London with Sir Thomas Leigh [Legh] who married Sir Henry’s Sister in law.
I would be most grateful to learn of any information that you may have (or sources that you may have identified) regarding the Machell lineage between about 1440 and 1550 and particularly any connections they may have had with the Bold or interests in Lancashire, Cheshire and Hampshire.
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Hi Geoff,
I don't know if you're using the Machell pedigree drawn by Bellasis or the one by Poulson (or even the one by Harriet deSalis), but they all have a number of mistakes. For the past 3 years, another Machell descendant and I have been deconstructing Bellasis's pedigree (which has the fewest mistakes of all the pedigrees). We have copies of all the Machell deeds in the Carlisle Record Office, as well as copies of all the relevant pages in the Machell Manuscript, and have ordered all the relevant deeds from The National Archives. My dining room is now a Machell Muniment Room!
We have the wills of Giles (1521), and John (1522), and also Robert (1574), who is perhaps a son of Giles. (His son is called Giles.)
BUT, we are not sure what the connection is between Giles Machell and John Machell, Sheriff and Alderman of London. We do know (and have proved) that John Machell is NOT the son of Hugh Machell, as Poulson asserts.
Bridget
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Hi Bridget,
Thanks for replying so quickly. I have a copy of the Bellasis pedigree but was unaware of those by Poulson or de Salis. My guess is that Giles was the son of John = Ruth Wharton; have you discounted that? I agree that his father was not Hugh – I would have though Giles to be too old to be his sibling – and it doesn’t fit with Giles’ daughter being named for his Brother’s wife.
Re-reading my post, I realise that I mistakenly said Giles was the Mayor of Petersfield. He wasn’t ! In fact this was Henry Abarrow who died in 1517 leaving a widow, Maud.
Maud died a year or two after her Husband. She left a Will in August 1517 that made bequests to her three children: Jane her daughter and Gyles and John her Sons. She also leaves instructions for some of her goods to be used to best effect for her children the care of which she entrusts to William Radford (of North Charford – the family seat of the Abarrows) and to Gyles Machell of Petersfield.
As you know, Gyles Machell himself died a couple of years later - in 1521 - also his Will transfers guardianship of the children to his Daughter, Gelyan (Julyan) then the Wife of William Bold.
This suggests a close link between the Bold, Machell and Abarrow familes (not least because Giles was a relatively uncommon name). Total speculation (!) but perhaps Henry Abarrow’s wife Maud was a Machell……
Another coincidence that I have yet to understand is that my William Bold purchased land in Petersfield from George Rythe and Thomas Gantham (both lawyers of Lincolns Inn and later MPs). The same George Rythe sold land to John Machell: ‘1552 - John Fitz-William, Elizabeth his wife and George Rythe, esq., and Elizabeth his wife passed by fine to John Machell, citizen and cloth worker of London, the manor of Burnedshed alias Burnyshed and tenements and rents in Burnyshed, [presumably Burnside?] Strikland Ketyll, Strikland Roger and Kendall.’
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Hi Geoff,
I've sent you a private message.
Bridget
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Hi Geoff,
I have only just registered with RootsChat and am finding my way around. I am descended from Aburrows (Abarrowes) in the Petersfield area of Hampshire and was interested in your comments about Henry Abarrow.
I have a copy of Maud Abarrow's will of 1517 in which she is described as Henry's widow. What is the source of your information about Henry being Mayor of Petersfield? I hadn't come across that before.
You mention that William Radford is an executor of her will and give him as 'of North Charford'. I know that the Abarrows were long established at North Charford but I think the wording in Maud's will gives William Radford as parson of Clanfyld (Clanfield just south of Petersfield).
Any help gratefully received.
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St Michaell at Quene hithe (Queenhithe) is my reading.
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Hi Curry,
Apologies for a delay in responding.
First, you queried whether Parson Radford was from Charford or Clanfield. You are quite correct, Maud’s will records that he was from Clanfield. Her will is a little difficult to decipher in places but I too had transcribed this as Clanfield in my database but incorrectly put Charford in my post!
Secondly, the evidence for Henry Abarrow having served as the first Mayor of Petersfield is from the work of Prof. Edward Yates who conducted extensive research of the history of Petersfield, particularly in the Tudor and Stuart periods. The specific reference is from one of his publications: ‘Petersfield in Tudor Times’, E M Yates (ISSN 0308-9266). Unfortunately, I have not been able immediately to locate my copy to check if this provides a specific reference to the original historical record. If you’ve not seen it copies are held in the library in Winchester and it is occasionally available for sale on line.
A similar reference to Henry is also given in ‘Excavations at Sheep Street, Petersfield 1976’ (pages 159 & 160) – an extract from the Proceedings of the Hampshire Archaeological Society http://www.hantsfieldclub.org.uk/publications/hampshirestudies/digital/1990s/vol49/Fox&Hughes.pdf). (http://www.hantsfieldclub.org.uk/publications/hampshirestudies/digital/1990s/vol49/Fox&Hughes.pdf).)
This also refers to an Elizabeth Abarrow. I have no information as to her identity though it seems reasonable to speculate that she may have been the widow of Sir John Abarrow (who was the son of Sir Maurice) who was born Elizabeth Danvers. Alternatively, she may perhaps have been the wife/widow of one of Henry’s sons.
I also believe that Henry was also the son of Sir Maurice (ie the brother of Sir John); this view is echoed in a genealogy of the Danvers family: ‘Memorials of the Danvers Family’ (Macnamara, 1895). However, he is not evident in the Abarrow pedigree of the 1544 Visitation of Hampshire. Maurice was knighted at the battle of Stoke on 16 June 1487 alongside my ancestor, Henry Bold.
My own connection to the Abarrow family is at this stage somewhat tenuous. As I explained in a previous post, Henry Abarrow’s Widow left instructions in her will that her young children were to be in the care of Giles Machell. Giles’ daughter, Juliane, had married William Bold (my direct ancestor), the son of Henry Bold mentioned above. Giles died shortly after and by his will transferred the care of the Abarrow children to William and Juliane.
Have you any light to throw on the possible Abarrow / Machell connection?
Regards,
Geoff