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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: paston on Friday 09 July 10 14:55 BST (UK)
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hi could anyone help me with this lady she married george nicholson in 1849 and i have them in the 1851 census , but cant find them after this, i know they had william .g born 1849, and maria 1850 but maria died.
any help ith this greatly appreciated, thanks in advance :) :)
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i also think charlotte died in 1871 !!! what do you think? ???
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It would help if you could give a locality or even just a county.
Regards Amber39
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sorry i thought id put this on norfolk region, sorry again charlotte was from norfolk in 1841 shes living with her mother and stepfather john and sarah fuller in scarning, in 1851 shes with her husband and son william at rupert street, hamlet of heigham, norwich, charlotte is 22 and husband george is 25 :)
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There is the following 1861 Census entry:
RG9; Piece: 312; Folio: 94; Page: 49
13 Cross Street, Southwark, Surrey
George Nicholson Head Mar 34 Fishmonger Norfolk
Sarah " Wife 35 Essex
William " Son 12 Scholar Norfolk, Dereham
Sarah " Dau 12 Essex, Harwich
George " Son 6 Middlesex, Mile End
There is also the following marriage:
13 Dec 1868 St John The Evangelist, Waterloo, Lambeth
William George Nicholson, full age, bachelor, ?, Princes ? &
Sarah Bleach, age 20, spinster
Fathers: George Nicholson, fishmonger and Thomas Bleach, carpenter
Witnesses: ? Bleach and Sarah Bleach
The ages and places of birth for George and William in the 1861 Census agree with the information you have provided. With William and Sarah (Jr) both being aged 12 but born in different places, William is probably George's but not Sarah's son (and vice versa for Sarah (Jr)). Additionally, the 1851 Census shows William as being William G. Nicholson.
Charlotte Cooper Dunn was born on 22 Dec 1829 and baptised at East Dereham on 5 Jan 1830. Parents: Robert and Sarah Dunn (late Cooper). Robert was a blacksmith. Abode: Dereham.
George Nicholson was born on 18 Jun 1826 and baptised at East Dereham on 16 Jul 1826. Parents: James and Mary Ann Nicholson (late Hopson). James was a butcher. Abode: Dereham.
If these are the correct George and William, has Charlotte died before 1861 or have George and Charlotte separated?
Nigel
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I also saw this census but was doubtful about it.
There is a change of county, a change of occupation for George from plumber to fishmonger . Then there is a change of wife and I could find no death for Charlotte.
All these changes are possible but a little iffy.
Regards Amber39
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Then there is a change of wife and I could find no death for Charlotte.
All these changes are possible but a little iffy.
Regards Amber39
Bearing in mind that divorce was almost impossible for the average person in the 1850s George and Charlotte Nicholson may have only separated. Charlotte may not have died but be living with someone else (possibly under another name) in 1861.
I can't find a suitable marriage for a George Nicholson to a Sarah which suggests that George and Sarah may not be married to each other in 1861 (their status of married may be correct but they are not married to each other). If Charlotte has not died then George could not marry Sarah.
If the above has occurred it would not be unsurprising for George to have left Norfolk.
Nigel
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Marriage: -
20 Jun 1871 Trinity Church, St Mary Newington
George Nicholson, full age, widower, fishmonger, Stones End &
Sarah Webb, full age, widow, Christchurch Southwark
Fathers: James Nicholson, deceased and James Smith, deceased
The 1851 Census has the following information for Sarah (and her daughter Sarah):
HO107; Piece: 1553; Folio: 650; Page: 17
23 King Street, Mile End
Thomas Webb Head 29 Painter and glazier Essex, Harwich
Sarah Webb Wife 27 West ?
Thomas Webb Son 7 Essex, Harwich
William Webb Son 5 " "
Sarah Webb Dau 3 " "
Lucy Webb Dau 11 Mo Middlesex, Lond
Marriage: -
Thomas WEBB & Sarah SMITH
12 343 Tendring Jun 1843 qtr
(submitted IGI record has this marriage at Harwich on 21 May 1843)
In the 1861 Census, Thomas is back living with his parents in Harwich and has only the children Thomas and William with him (RG9; Piece: 1094; Folio: 48; Page: 22).
The following is the death of Thomas Webb and perhaps also Charlotte Nicholson. George and Sarah, therefore, could not marry until Thomas Webb had died. George may also have been prevented from marrying Sarah if Charlotte did not die until 1871.
NICHOLSON Charlotte * - 4b 86 Norwich Mar 1871 qtr (age 40)
WEBB Thomas - 4a 171 Tendring Jun 1871 qtr (age 49)
(* See my next post for an alternative explanation, although it doesn't seem very likely for the reason given)
Nigel
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Nigelp
I think you have convinced this doubting Thomas ,well done !!
Regards Amber39
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Nigelp
I think you have convinced this doubting Thomas ,well done !!
Regards Amber39
Hi Amber 39,
Thanks.
The only difficulty I have with the above is that the marriage of George Nicholson to Sarah Webb in 1871 could have depended only on the death of Thomas Webb. Since Charlotte has not been accounted for in 1861 it is possible that she could have died earlier.
For example, a possible scenario is that George and Charlotte Nicholson moved to Harwich (and which could explain how George became a fishmonger). The following could then be Charlotte's death:
NICHOLSON Charlotte - 4a 156 Tendring Mar 1858 qtr
This may also offer an explanation as to how George met Sarah and why Charlotte cannot be found in 1861. However, I prefer the earlier suggestion and the death in Norwich in 1871 because of the following burial:
9 Mar 1858 - Charlotte Nicholson - St John The Baptist, Great Clacton - age 60
(Great Clacton is in Tendring district and the age of 60, if correct, would rule out George Nicholson's wife)
Nigel
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:)thank :) :) :) you so much :D i think them living together seems correct and getting married later when they can. mystery solved
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Charlotte's husband George Nicholson 1826 son of James and Mary Ann Nicholson (late Hopson) is a brother of my G G Grandfather William Nicholson. He also moved from Dereham, in his case to Paddington, Middlesex.
Is there any other information regarding the Nicholson's of Dereham?