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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: laceytreigh on Friday 09 July 10 11:09 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Hope I can get some ideas here.........
The short version of my question - is there any way to find out the parents of a child who was born or died, without buying the certificate?
The long version - George Olive married Jane Charlotte Brooks June 1/4 1860 in Kensington. I don't have the certificate.
1871 census lived at Star Lane, Fulham; 1881 census lived at Star Lane, Fulham; 1891 census, George is dead (died 1885) but Jane still lives Star Rd, Fulham.
On the census their children are listed as Emma born 1866 (GRO Dec 1/4 1865), William born 1871 (GRO Sept 1/4 1870), and Annie born 1880 (GRO Dec 1/4 1879).
With the big gaps between their births, I assumed there were babies who died. On freebmd I have found 4 who might fit the gaps who were born and died registered at Kensington,
Jane Charlotte born June 1/4 1861 - died Sept 1/4 1861
John William born Mar 1/4 1863 - died Sept 1/4 1866 (aged 2) ?? same one??
Eliza Maria born Dec 1/4 1867 - died Mar 1/4 1870 (aged 2)
George James born Dec 1/4 1872 - died Mar 1/4 1873;
one at Fulham, Maria born Dec 1/4 1877 - died Dec 1/4 1878
and one, Mary Ann,born Kensington Sept 1/4 1874 and died Mile End, Sept 1/4 1874
Given that the mother is Jane Charlotte, I really like the chances of the baby Jane Charlotte belonging, and maybe the baby George, I'm very doubtful about the one who died at Mile End.
I'd love to know the answer to the short version of the question and also, which would you go for given this information.
Many thanks,
Tracey,
Australia.
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hi tracey, on the 1871 census it says george was born in bath somerset but living in fulham, he is with wife jane and children emma olive aged 5 born fulham and william olive 8 months born fulham
by 1881 he has another child annie olive aged 1 born fulham
kerry
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Hi,
Jane Charlotte was baptised 05/05/1861 in Hammersmith. Parents George & Jane Olive.
Eliza maria was baptised 15/12/1867 in Hammersmith, parents George & Jane Olive.
John William baptised 25/01/1863 in Hammersmith, parents George & Jane Olive.
Sharon
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Thank you both for your quick replies.
Sharon, I'm very new to English research, is the baptism information you gave freely accessible or via subscription to a genealogy site? And were they the only 3 there? In my records I like to document sources so would be interested to know where it comes from.
Thanks again,
Tracey.
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Sorry. Just read what I wrote, and I should have said 'thank you, thank you, thank you!!, finding this information has made my day! I'm very excited.'
Annie, the youngest, is my ancestor, and sadly, I know she died aged 23 after giving birth to 2 children, my grandmother and her brother. There were a few generations of heart trouble, which seems to have faded in the current genes thankfully.
Tracey.
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Tracey, I found them on familysearch.
http://pilot.familysearch.org
Sharon.
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WOW!!! What an amazing site!! I've never seen it before and it will be so helpful on other lines of my family.
Sharon - you've just given me the key to Alladin's Cave!! Thank you SO much, I can't say it enough! Fabulous!
Thanks,
Tracey.
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Tracey,
Glad to help.
Sharon
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Hi Tracey
You may find this subscription site useful
http://landing.ancestry.co.uk/lma/default.aspx
It's also available at many local libraries, just ask if they have Ancestry Library Edition.
If your research keeps bring you back to London & Middlesex, try our London & Middlesex board and this guide
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,404050.0.html
Dawn
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Thanks Dawn, those links and advice will come in handy.
Tracey.
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Update on my previous post, with big thanks to those who gave assistance.
I applied for birth certificates for all the babies and discovered that:
Jane Charlotte born 10 Apr 1861 - died Sept 1/4 1861, haven't got death certificate yet.
John William born 4 Jan 1863 - died Sept 1/4 1866 haven't got death certificate yet.
Emma born 20 Oct 1865, found in 1871, 1881 census. Haven't gone any further with her.
Eliza Maria born 21 Nov 1867 - died Mar 1/4 1870 (aged 2) haven't got death certificate yet
William Henry born 27 Jul 1870, found in census 1871, 1881 and 1891. Gone no further with him yet.
George James born 20 Nov 1872 - died Mar 1/4 1873, haven't got death certificate yet.
Mary Ann born 16 June 1874 and died Mile End, Sept 1/4 1874, haven't got death certificate yet.
Maria born 7 Nov 1877 - died Dec 1/4 1878, haven't got death certificate yet.
Annie Maria born 23 Sept 1879, survived long enough to give birth to my grandmother, and died in Apr 1903 of cardiac problems at the age of 23.
So, it looks as though my great grandmother and 2 of her siblings survived into adulthood. Just.
Now I'm curious as to how the babies died ........... that's a job for another day! Thanks again.
Tracey.