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My Great Grandfather was a George Deveruax born in Roch Pembrokeshire in approx 1839. I would like to find if there is a parish record of his birth as I cannot find a BMD for it so possibly born before 1837.
I got his marriage cert and it says his father was William Deveraux deceased but we always thought his fathers name was Thomas. So would also like to find a marriage for a Jane Wade and Thomas or William Deveraux in Roch Pembrokeshire possibly Nov 1829.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
thanks
Maggie
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Hiya how do you know the Mothers name is it off one of Georges siblings birth certs? and if so doesnt it give Fathers name to?
Welsh Lady.
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George and his mother and siblings are in the 1841 census, but his father was deceased by then.
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George and his mother and siblings are in the 1841 census, but his father was deceased by then.
My own research would suggest that
02 Feb 1817 William Devereaux of St Brides mrd Jane Thomas at Talbenny.
10 Nov 1829 Thomas Devereux of Camrose mrd Jane Wade at Roch
A William Devereaux was buried at Camrose in 1830 and a William Devereux at Roch in 1832. I also note the burial of Elizabeth Deverieux at Roch in 1830.
Speculation would suggest Thomas was quite lightly the son of Richard & Mary Devereaux nee’ Lawrence mrd at Camrose 1808 or William & Margaret Devereux nee’ Reynish mrd at Camrose in 1807.
If my pure speculation proves to be the later I strongly recommend you to read the will of William Deveraux of Camrose 1830/016 available for free on the NLoW website.
Just to speculate even further (very dangerous) I wonder if William husband of Margaret is the son of Gabriel & Diana Deveraux mrd at Camrose 1776, if so then the will of Gabriel is also worth a read on the same website dated 1820.
I shall leave to decide what if any connection there is to your own research.
Oh ~ the only George that comes remotely near to your requirements that I can find is George of 1848 born(H'west Reg District, prob Mathry) and baptised at Mathry in 1848, but he is the son of John & Lettice I believe so that counts him out.
At a real stretch I not the baptism of a George Devereux at Camrose in 1814 the son of a William & Margaret Devereux baptised probably 16 Oct 1814.
Mind not for the 1st time my connections could be wrong on all counts, as they say it's for you to decide.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
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Whilst looking at another project, I noticed the surname Wade in my transcription of the Parish Registers of Pembroke St Michael 1711 ~ 1950, this lead me back to the ECC of St David wills and would recommend you to read the will of John Wade of Roch reference 1828/065
The above lead me to the 1841 census for Roch and I note the birth of John Devereux in county aged 6 months. Since the ’41 was taken on the night of the 07th June 1841 less 6 months we arrive at Dec 1840 – Jan 1841 for the birth of John, since there is only one listed in Free BMD then this birth certificate will show the parents of John and by sibling relationship the parents of George aged 6 in the same 1841 census.
John's elder brother William ~ I can only find one reference to a William Devereux baptized around 1832 that of William bapt 05 Aug 1832 to Margaret Devereux at St Brides.
Since mrge pre Sept 1837 had to take place in established church by law, but baptism was permitted in any denominational location, I am now beginning to think the children are all baptized non-conformist possibly at Penuel or Wesleyan Methodist Chapels Roch.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
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Thank you so much for the info. Will have to go back to my tree and see if this makes any sense at all.
Are in located near Roch or Camrose?
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google Camerose its not that far from Roch on the map
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Well seeing as I am in Canada it is along way from me. I have never been to Wales so these places are just names on a map. haha
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good point well just so you no there is a very small castle at Roch its pronounced Roach btw.
Its a small village overlooking the sea.
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:) I am researching Devereux and I am wondering if anyone can help with my Thomas Devereux born Camrose abt 1786 parents names not known and I have had difficulty finding any record of him at all, particularly I have not identified the names of his wife(s) - I think he married twice.
His eldest son Thomas Herbat Devereux was born 1809/10 in Swansea, his elder sister Hannah was born Camrose 1808/9. The family obviously then moved to Swansea and Thomas lived on Matthew Street (as did many of his family) where he had a butchers shop until he died in 1866, this business was then taken over by his daughter Jane Griffiths(nee Devereux) on his death. He had many children and his youngest child Rachel Devereux born 1832 married David Harris and they also lived on Matthew Street.
This thread has some common dates and names but I would love to find out the names of Thomas Herbat Devereux's mother and also a bit more about Thomas Devereux b. 1786 c.
Thomas H Devereux married Sarah Hull in Brecon in 1837 and they moved to Stockton on Tees at some point in 1841/2. They had a daughter Jane born in Brecon and 2 sons (both of who) died in infancy of whooping cough at Stcokton on Tees, Sarah also died in 1843 S on Tees. T H Devereux married again to Isabell Duncan in 1844 in Stockton. This branch of the family grew and stayed in this area
Any help please would be greqatly appreciated.
LindaDevereux
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Thomas Devereux born Camrose abt 1786 ...............I have not identified the names of his wife(s) - I think he married twice.
A Thomas Devereux mrd Jane Narbett at Camrose in 1805. I can find no reference to a mrge of the widower Thomas Devereux, one presumes he may have re-mrd in Glamorgan.
Camrose was clearly a family seat of the Devereux surname well back during the 18th century.
Have you checked out the wills in my previous posting? There are also a couple of Devereux wills & Bonds from Brecon that may hold info on the NLoW website.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
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Many thanks, the marriage would fit in with the birth of first 2 children, including Thomas Herbat Devereux. I haven't really used this before so will have another look at your previous posts.
Linda
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Unexpectedly I was in H’west today so called in at the Rec Off on your behalf. Camrose baptism registers begin in only 1795 and even then upto 1803 only have a few entries for one family, thus it could be said that the baptism register only really begins circa 1805.
For your interest I note ;
Thomas Devereux son of William & Margaret Devereux christened August 9th 1807 and registed August 9th 1807 by Jno Lewett.
John Devereux son of William & Margaret Devereux christened February 19th 1809 registered February 19th 1809 by Jno Lewett.
Rev’d Jno Lewett made the following comment beneath this entry quote The above is a true copy taken from the old register … July 1809. unquote.
So it would appear the old register is now lost and the information shown from 1795 to 1809 is only that which John copied from the old register.
It may well be worth you sending an email to the NLoW to see if the B.T.’s for Camrose Baptism still survive.
John Devereux son of Stephen and Jane Devereux christened ye 5th November 1809 registered ye 5th November 1809 by me Jno Lewett
I had a quick look at the 1841 Census for Camrose and noted residing at Chapel Hill Camrose John & Frances Devereux a Farmer with their children Thomas 15 and Hannah aged 21.
I returned to the Baptism Registers and searched 1816 to 1822 and 1833 to 1838 for the baptism of Hannah and Thomas, alas there are not listed which can only mean they where baptised else where or they where baptised chapel.
I know ages and father of Hannah and Thomas do not fit your requirements but Hannah especially is the only one listed or comes near to your requirements. I also find it interesting that John Devereux mrd Hannah Morris at Camrose in 1806, I wonder why I did not see other children to this couple 1805 to 1812 in Camrose ??
Your answer I feel sure lies in the B.T.’s at NLoW.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
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To help in researching the Devereux surname further back I had a long look at the Surname Index at the Record Office today and found ;
++ Devereux of Lamphey pedigree HDX/1385
++ Will of Anne Devereux of Meline 1695 FG Vol 16 Page 24
++ Will of John Devereux of Angle 1651 FG Vol 14 PAge 23
++ John Devereux lease of Farm at Camrose 1797
++ Stephen Devereux settlement of 1773 D/PEH/2/478
FG = Francis Green Collection (23 Volumes)
If you wish for a copy of any of the above then just email the Record Office who can send you a copy (cost unknown).
Rgds
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