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Title: ? Pantygnoch Cilcain
Post by: Lazylover on Sunday 04 July 10 18:46 BST (UK)

Hi Guys

I've been looking at the PR's for Cilcain (on microfilm) and one of the abodes is Pantygnoch.

Does anyone know where abouts this would have been as I've never heard of it and a Google search was fruitless.

I've attached the image just in case I've made it out wrong.

TIA

Lazylover

Title: Re: ? Pantygnoch Cilcain
Post by: wrjones on Sunday 04 July 10 19:39 BST (UK)

I can't see any mention of it in the  Description of the Enumeration districts of Cilcain in the Census.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

Title: Re: ? Pantygnoch Cilcain
Post by: Lazylover on Sunday 04 July 10 19:40 BST (UK)

Thanks William

I'm glad its not just me that's having trouble.

Lazylover

Title: Re: ? Pantygnoch Cilcain
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 04 July 10 20:11 BST (UK)

Lazylover,
HO107 1407 4/3 2

The 1841 Census has a Jones family at " Pant gnog, Cilcen, Llys y Coed".

I have found several of the other addresses on the same Census page (Nant, Ty Newydd) but not "Pant gnog".

The nearest is a "Pant y gog" (cuckoo dell/hollow) in the area.

regards     

Title: Re: ? Pantygnoch Cilcain
Post by: Lazylover on Sunday 04 July 10 21:35 BST (UK)

Hi Hanes Teulu

Thank you for that. The image is taken from a baptism in 1843. The family were HAYES

Lazylover

Title: Re: ? Pantygnoch Cilcain
Post by: taidgazacaz on Sunday 04 July 10 22:34 BST (UK)

Found Nant & Ty Newydd on an old (1870) OS map, but not Pantygnog. Also a few fields to the East is Ty'n y Caeau, which also appears on a modern OS map. If you can find this it might give you an indication of the area in which Pantygnog lay.

Ty'n y Caeau lies almost due North of the village, near the top of the next grid square up.

Hope this helps,

Tecwyn.

Title: Re: ? Pantygnoch Cilcain
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 04 July 10 23:26 BST (UK)

Taidgazacaz,
On the same Census page as Pant Gnog in 1841 are Nant, Tynewydd, Shamber Wen, Llysy goed,  Ty Newydd, Tyn y gaiau, Pentre Cilcen and Fron Fedw (as written by enumerator).
I can find all but Pant gnog and Fron Fedw on an 1879 Ordnance Survey map, North and North West of the village as you say.
Can't find Pant gnog in 1851 Census.

Tried to work out what gnoch/cnoch or gnog/cnog might be no success.

regards

Title: Re: ? Pantygnoch Cilcain
Post by: Lazylover on Monday 05 July 10 12:33 BST (UK)

Thanks for your efforts.

The HAYES family had a branch living at Fron Fedw also and the in-laws living in Nant, so its good to know the rough area.

Lazylover

Title: Re: ? Pantygnoch Cilcain
Post by: Taffy Lee on Thursday 08 July 10 15:41 BST (UK)

Could it be Pant y Groch??

Having said that, I still can't recall anywhere called Pant y Groch (I lived in Cilcain for 15 years) - but it sounds like a sensible place name (Groch = loud, noisy etc.).

Also, are you sure you are looking for a place in the village of Cilcain, or in the parish of Cilcain??

On the Cuckoo theme, there is a Cae'r Gog in Pantymwyn....although this is a fairly modern road, it may have been built on an older building/road.

Title: Re: ? Pantygnoch Cilcain
Post by: Lazylover on Friday 09 July 10 21:11 BST (UK)

It's from a baptism entry from St. Mary's Cilcain so I don't know if it's the parish or the village. This is the only mention of Pantygnoch as later on they moved to Fron Fedw.