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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Eyesee on Sunday 04 July 10 04:16 BST (UK)
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Elizabeth BAINES married John REMINGTON at St Sepulchre Holborn, on 26 Jan 1768. Witnesses were John COMFORT and Wm BANISTER.
Trying to find her baptism and parentage, without much luck. She died 1801, leaving a fairly detailed will, which I have. She was not buried at St Sepulchre as far as I can see. John REMINGTON was buried there 15 Apr 1784.
John COMFORT must have been a good friend as he is left something in John's will, and John and Elizabeth's eldest son born 1770 is named John Bains Comfort REMINGTON.
Has anyone come across this BAINES family, or John COMFORT.
Ian C
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Hi
Since the connection is to St Sepulchre have you looked at this PCC will
Will of John Comfort, Butcher of Saint Sepulchre , City of London 17 October 1785 PROB 11/1134
Regards
Valda
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Yes Valda, i do have the will of John COMFORT. Forgot that I did. Must have got it when I downloaded John and Elizabeth REMINGTONs.
No mention of the REMINGTONs in it, only his wife Ann, four sons, a sister and niece.
He may have been in partnership with John REMINGTON, with them both being butchers in that area.
Ian C
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Hi
There is a marriage of a John Comfort to an Ann Parden 31st July 1763 at St Benet Paul's Wharf which might be John's marriage, but if the relationship to John Remington was a friend/business partner then I'm not sure researching John Comfort's line will necessarily achieve anything.
There is a Henry Baines innholder of St Sepulchre (PCC will 1691) but that is dangerously skipping generations in a city with a high mortality rate and high mobility and with no evidence that either John or Elizabeth were actually born in London. There also appears to be no continuance of the surname in the St Sepulchre registers.
You do however have a Remington family in St Sepulchre parish registers
JOHN REMMINGTON
Christening: 27 DEC 1737 St Sepulchre, London
Father: JOHN REMMINGTON
Mother: MARY
ELIZABETH REMINTON
Christening: 05 JAN 1735 St Sepulchre, London
Father: JOHN REMINTON
Mother: MARY
SARAH REMINGTON
Christening: 05 NOV 1739 St Sepulchre, London
Father: JOHN REMINGTON
Mother: MARY
PHILIP REMINGTON
Christening: 19 FEB 1742 St Sepulchre, London
Death: 04 JAN 1743
Father: JOHN REMINGTON
Mother: MARY
JOHN REMINGTON
Christening: 10 APR 1744 St Sepulchre, London
Father: JOHN REMINGTON
Mother: MARY
Earlier Remington baptisms to John and Esther 1729-1731
and Uriah and Elizabeth
No wills (for Remingtons in St Sepulchre) held at The National Archives or the LMA but since this is the City of London there could be ones held at the Guildhall Library (see the help guide on London wills on the L & M board for London will indexes). There is a PCC will for a Mary Remington in Whitechapel - but why there - it looks much to much like a stab in the dark.
Regards
Valda
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Thanks Valda
Yes the John born 1744 is the one who married Elizabeth BAINES. He was a butcher in St Sepulchre.
Ian C
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Hi
There is nothing really to go on for Elizabeth Baines parentage.
When did she sign her will? Is there any chance she died pre 1801 and you can find her earlier in the St Sepulchre burials? I haven't looked at them so I don't know whether the burial register is giving ages that early.
Regards
Valda
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Probate was 20 Feb 1801. Yes St Sepulchre burials do have ages. John's age was given as 40 when he was buried in 1784.
Will check them again for Elizabeth.
Ian C
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She mentions four grandchildren, two sons and two daughters of eldest son John, but not the son born 1799, so makes me think that she made the will before then, and may have died by 1799. I have been looking in 1800 and very early 1801, but perhaps should be looking earlier.
Ian C
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Hi Ian
Isn't her signature and the witnesses signature dated on the will?
Regards
Valda
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She signed it 6 Dec 1796, so could have died not long after that. Will go back a bit further in the burials.
Ian C
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No sign of her from 1796 to 1800, but I did find the grandson William born 1796, buried in 1798 that I had not found before.
Ian C
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Hi
So you might expect her to be in St Sepulchre parish until at least 1798. Have you any information on where her children were living around 1798-1801?
Regards
Valda
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There were two surviving sons, John Bains Comfort REMINGTON born 1770 and Thomas born 1776. They were both in the St Sepulchre area. JBC was a butcher, carrying on his fathers business. Not sure what Thomas did.
Ian C
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Hi
Then everything says she should be in the St Sepulchre register. If there were BTs I would advise checking against them. Really all there is to go on is her age at burial. Have you got a traditional naming pattern amongst the children? Anything in their lives which may make a connection with their mother's family?
Regards
Valda
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There were four sons, John, Thomas, William and then a second Thomas because the first one died. There were no Thomas REMINGTONs before that so it is possible her father was a Thomas. Will have a dig around.
Ian C
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I to have started with the Remington's again after a loooong pause due to life happenings. My great grand mother was Ada Rebecca Remington 1850 - 1925 ( Tasmania ) daughter of George Remington 1826-1854 and Emma Malkin 1824-1851. I have found Ada coming to Tassie with her Uncle George Malkin as his daughter. I had come across John Comfort Remington before I was forced to stop my research. I am very interested in the wills you mentioned. would you mind letting me know where I can find them. Ann from Tassie