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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: essexgg on Friday 02 July 10 18:51 BST (UK)
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Can anyone tell me please if they can find out when a Henry or Heinrich Bongartz either died or left england between 1901 -1911. Because the Bongartz family came to england in 1890 believe from crefeld germany (believe thats where my grandfather Heinrich's son was born) still trying obtain the birth certificate of my grandfather Carl Henry Bongartz (german spelling Karl H Bongartz). In the 1901 cencurs they were in england liveing churston street, there was a Henry (Heinrich), Johanna wife, Karl son and daughter Christine, Carl was married in 1910 and liveing at Hampstead in 1911 was only Johanna and daughter christine no Henry (Heinrich) so am trying to find out if he died or left england.
I purchased my grandfathers alien file which was released from the home office to the national archives in march and i got it in may, and there was a mentioning of a grandma that came with them can anyone tell me if they can find out what happened to her, there is no mention of her name. There is some believe that Johanna Marie might have come from prussia. Would be most grateful if anyone can help me, with this problem maybe if there were any electrol roles back then. Also looking for a thomas sinclair who was staying with a grace eva bongartz who was married to carl henry bongartz at 11 kew meadows path mortlake, from about 1918 boarding till 1925. Can anyone also tell me if this is so, as i do know that he was there from about 1920 -1925. till the family kicked him out ,
Most gratefull for any help
Alison Sinclair
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in 1911 was only Johanna and daughter christine no Henry (Heinrich) so am trying to find out if he died or left england.
What does the 1911 census show as Johanna's marital status - widow or married?
and there was a mentioning of a grandma that came with them can anyone tell me if they can find out what happened to her, there is no mention of her name
Without a name that would be impossible
There is some believe that Johanna Marie might have come from prussia.
What is her birthplace on the 1901 and 1911 censuses
In the 1901 cencurs they were in england liveing churston street
Can you please post the full 1901 reference - RG 13 piece number folio number and page number
Also looking for a thomas sinclair who was staying with a grace eva bongartz who was married to carl henry bongartz at 11 kew meadows path mortlake, from about 1918 boarding till 1925. Can anyone also tell me if this is so, as i do know that he was there from about 1920 -1925. till the family kicked him out ,
This type of info would require somebody with personal knowledge of the family
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Hi
I see in the 1901 census RG13/93/105/41 where they are transcribed as Bonkartz they are all born in Germany and Henry is a hairdresser.
In the following census Johanna's pob is Switzerland but her daughter Germany. No sign of Henry either in the census or a death. Perhaps he had gone back to Germany for a visit?
How do you know they arrived in England in 1890? If you have found them on a passenger list, it should also show whether there were any more of the family with them. If a grandmother did arrive with them, she wasn't living with them in 1901. Have you found them in 1891?
Jan
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Dear Jan,
I purchased Heinrich's son's alien file from the national archives after the home office released it to them in march this year. In the file it states that they came to england in 1890 with his father,mother,grandmother and sister. And he believes he was born in crefeld germany. It states on the 1901 cencurs that where it says where born its got Luebeck germany, have checked with Luebeck and there is no Bonkartz . In 1910 they must have changed the way they spelt their surname cos on my grandparents marriage cert and my grandmothers death cert its got the spelling the english way Bongartz. And on the 1901 cencurs its got johannas marital status as married as Heinrich or henry was with them at the time. Still trying to purchase and find out if he is registered under bongartz or bonkartz in germany. to get birth cert.
Alison
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hi alison im related to you my name is julie im am the yougest child of charles henry bongartz and elizabeth margret bongartz my grand father was karl henry bongartz and my grand mother was grace weedon i was born in australia, my sister is ingrid and my brother geoffrey were both born in england i was told my gradfather had 8 children from his first marrige then 5 from his second busy boy lol if its true any way just wanted to say hi regards julie campbell
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Hi Julie,
Yes your grandfather was Carl Henry Bongartz, but Heinrich was his father and his sister was Christine his mother was Johanna but do not know what happened to his father Heinrich, he was not with them in 1911 when Johanna and Christine was at hampstead and the census states that Johanna was head of the family. But in 1910 of february Grace who is my grandmother got married, and they had a son Carl Henry Bongartz in the August and he changed his name later on to Charles Henry Weedon he took his mothers maiden name because it was not a done thing back in those days to have a german name. If you want to have a chat my numberDELETEDor i can call you. I have such alot to tell you. And your grandmother is Violet May Jay when single and they married 5 months after my grandmother died of cancer of the cervix. Look forward to chatting with you. Have been talking to suzzane and Geoff.
Take care Alison
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this is so cool alison i had no idea there where so many children by my grandfather cheeky old bugger pardon the language ;D
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For sure. do you have a number home one that is. As mobiles are dearer, or if you don't i can call ur mobile. alison
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No your cool julie,the only word i really hate is the F word and the c word. Apparently i am the image of my grandma and i am so proud of her bless her. Ali
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There was a Heinrich Bongartz 1892-1946 that was an ace during WW1 he was born in walsum nr. Krefeld.
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Hi,
Thanks for your information. I do know that Heinrich,Johanna,Carl (Karl),Christine and their grandmother, left germany and arrived in england in 1890. And the father Heinrich was there in 1901 on the cencors but not 1911 because it says that Johanna and Christine were at hampstead and on the 1911 censurs its got Johanna head and christine. Carl was married to my grandmother in 1910 at croydon, so they were'nt with them in 1911. But there Heinrich's name was on Carls marriage certificate, but i wonder what happened to the grandmother.
I have their Alien file from the home office which was released to the national archives, and the grandmothers name was not mentioned on the paperes only the grandmother came with them. And i do know that a applicatiuon was made for a passport for carl, i do not know if they came by ship and train or what. Many thanks Alison