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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: pcoups on Wednesday 30 March 05 08:01 BST (UK)
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Can anyone tell me if any sort of record was kept of the Irish that migrated to England .... Where they came from, family left behind, transport across to England....I don't know anything.
I'm trying to trace my family across to Ireland from Cumberland............unfortunately the only info I have is that they were born in Ireland and with very common surnames impossible without more info. Oh they were avid Liverpool soccer fans..........perhaps they landed there. The bits of history I've read about the Irish in Uk informed that Liverpool was the port that most landed at. Would there perhaps be record of that?
Thanks
Lynn
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Hi Lynn,
Welcome to RootsChat !
I hope we can help you and you have as much success and fun here as we do ;D
A good place to start looking is here: http://www.movinghere.org.uk/
more specifically: http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/roots/irish/irish.htm
Check out the Immigrants board too, there are several queries there, similar to yours.
If you are searching for specific names, put a look-up request on the appropriate county board.
Good luck,
Bob
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Thanks for that Bob,
A hiccup here had me computer shut down before I was ready. Wasn't sure if the e-mail had gone through.
Lynn
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Hi Lynn,
I have Irish ancestors who travelled to Lancashire before 1840.
During my research I found the Manchester and Lancashire Family History Society (MLFHS) have a sub-group called Irish Ancestry who study the Irish who moved into the Manchester and Lancashire area.
There is a good chance that they may have come across and passed through Lancashire on their way to Cumberland.
Why not start a new post and tell us what you know from the Cumberland side.
Sarah :)
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Haven't really got much to go on. James Henry SLOAN(E)born 1845 Ireland an iron ore miner married Margaret McANALY(KELLY) born 1844 Ireland. They lived with Margaret's mother was also Margaret KELLY born 1812 Ireland and two brothers John b 1836 Ireland and Robert born 1854 Cleator.
In the 1871 census James and Margaret have the surname TAYLOR but the baptism of their children between 1868 and 1880 the surname is SLOAN(E) crossed out TAYLOR. So.....anyone can help me find out more about James Henry SLOAN(E)/TAYLOR it would be much appreciated
Lynn
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Posted incomplete - see below
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Hi Lynn
Here are the KELLYs:
RG9/3951 1g 9 11 (1861)
KELLY Margaret H W 49 - b Ireland
KELLY Margaret dau U 22 - Flax Mill Hand - b Ireland
KELLY Bernard son U 18 - Iron ore miner - b ditto
KELLY Elizabeth dau U 16 - Flax mill hand - b ditto
KELLY Agnes dau 11 - ditto - b ditto
KELLY Robert son 9 - ditto - b Cumberland Cleator
MCCARTER Elizabeth lodger U 19 - ditto - b Ireland
MCANALLY Hugh lodger U 22 - Iron ore miner - b ditto
FITZPATRICK John lodger U 21 - Mason lab - b ditto
Residing in Cleator village, Cumberland
James TAYLOR/ SLOAN(E) is proving more elusive, in that there are several to choose from! Will let you know if I find something significant.
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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You may be in luck!
RG9/3951 2g 43 P32 & 33
(all born Ireland)
SLOAN Francis H M 45 - Furnace lab
SLOAN Nancy W M 45
SLOAN John son U 19 - Iron Ore Miner
SLOAN Margaret dau 18 - bar maid
SLOAN Patrick son 17 - Iron Ore Miner
SLOAN Torney (?) son 15 - ditto
SLOAN John lodger U 32 - ditto
OLEAR Daniel lodger 18 - ditto
OLEAR Neil lodger 20 - Railway lab
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SLOAN James H M 21 - Furnace lab
SLOAN Ann W M 22
SLOAN Mary dau 1
Address: Wyndham Street, Cleator Moor
James and family are given a separate schedule number, but appear to be in the same house (single slash separates them from the rest).
I realise this James is a little older than yours, but bearing in mind the discrepancy in Margaret's age above this is the best fit I could find.
Arranroots ;)
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Thank you for that. Much appreciated.
The only worry is the 6 year age difference. Maybe a 16yr old could appear 22 in 1861 but there is also a year old daughter that worries me. (Father at 15!)Mmmmm I suppose not so unusual as they were out doing "mans work."
1871(26), 1881(36), 1891(45) and 1901(55) census all have his birth abt 1845/1846.
Then the plus side.
John, Margaret and Francis are names of James children on the 1881 census
Must admit was also hoping for a county of where born in Ireland.
Oh! another thing. You wrote all born in Ireland for the SLOAN family..........year old daughter too?
Thanks
Lynn
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Lynn
You are quite right I missed off the "born Cleator" for Mary SLOAN. Maybe I placed too much emphasis on the location in trying to find them? All the others just said Ireland, I'm afraid - v annoying!
I agree that these are not ideal, but rather a "best fit". I can have another go at looking for James if you like. The other candidate (from what I remember anyway!) was a boarder in the Liverpool area, but I haven't written anything down and am relying on my memory - never a safe bet! ;D
Arranroots ;)
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Again thanks a million.
I'm a bit of a learner as things go so am not too sure how to go about checking if this or that family is the one. I suppose the way to go would be to attempt to get hold of the 2 marriage certificates for James SLOAN/TAYLOR.
Would you by any chance know if a name change would be registered anywhere..........would these documents be available?
I do know the family were avid Liverpool supporters (soccer) even though the offspring of James lived in South Africa.
Thanks
Lynn
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Hi again Lynn
Here's the official word on changing names - as it applied in UK anyway!
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/familyhistory/gallery5/name.htm
I would certainly invest in the marrriage certs (prob the later one first as an economy!!)
If we are assuming that James is unmarried in 1861 (most likely scenario) then I don't know how to prove that any one candidate is better than the other. One of those annoying things.
Would the documentation of the children who went to SA have their father's place of birth? Just a thought.
Arranroots ;)
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HEY!
Just Googled and look what I came up with!! Looks like you two have some talking to do?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,31041.0.html
Arranroots ;)
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I'll apply for the marriage certificates.
I'll work on the name change. The address you sent me refers to a cd available at the family library............bit too far for me ..... I'm in Australia.
Unfortunately the South African death notices left the info up to the person reporting the death. A good % of the time if the deceased didn't speak Afrikaans .........the place of birth is just England.
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Just search free BDM Uk and Ancestry.com for the marriages .... no luck
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Received James Henry SLOAN's marriage certificate to Margaret McANALLY today. They were married 10 Nov 1867 Whitehaven.
James Henry's age is 22. Margaret's is 26.
Additional info ............ Jame's surname is spelt SLONEHis father is Patrick SLONE born Ireland - deceased at time of James' marriage in 1867. Patrick's occupation is listed as 'labourer'
Please if anyone can help with this info to find James Henry and family in the 1851/1861 census. James should be 16 years old in 1861, or in 1851 ... 6yrs old.
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:D :D :D
Hi pc !
thought you might be interested in the following link. It could be of some help, perhaps.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,78216.0.html
;D ;D ;D
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Hello-
I'm new here and quite new to all of this! I have read this thread with interest and found it really helpful. I have a few questions and hope someone can help... long post to follow..
Sorry to resart an old thread but it has been really useful to me!I have posted this on the link mentioned above and have also pasted it here- sorry I don't know how to do links!
1. I know my family are living in Cockermouth Cumbria from 1841 census, they are listed as from Ireland...yawn..it seems like here I have the same problems as many of you describe in the thread!
I have searched surrounding addresses and have found people with the same name and others born in Ireland and some listed as born in Down and Armagh.
Is it a safe assumption that my gang also came from one of these Counties? (I am making that assumption based on advice /experience mentioned in this thread).
2. Re getting to Cockermouth- I am also assuming that my family went there direcly from Ireland rather than via Liverpool. Do you think this is a reasonable assumption?
I am basing this idea on the back of there seeming to be various trade and other routes fromBelfast area to Scotland, Whitehaven etc at the time of their arrival- Famine years probably 1837 (daughter born in Cockermouth registered as age 3 on the 1841 census). Also my gang were weavers in Cockermouth- there seem to have been trade links re flax in Ireland? Maybe this was the connection re Cockermouth flax merchants?
Would you be thinking along the same lines?
3. i have no idea re there religion- I am tracing my Dad's ancestors- we, he, and his family seem to have had no religious affiliation. Can I make any assumptions re if they came from Armagh or Down? If so how do I proceed to trace them whilst still in Ireland?
4.There are various census and certificate versions of their name- Row/Roe / Rowe? Can the name help me in any way re Irish ancestry and denomination or area of origin?
5. I had a great time visiting Cockermouth whilst on holiday last year! I had a look at and found out about how horrible the area where they lived was back then, but got nowhere re appropriate records, visiting graveyards etc (twas an all too short visit!). Any advice re specific records I should look for? These could be in Cockermouth,also if I get that far searching in Ireland- I intend to do a holiday later in the year so would really like to know where to proceed next in my search!
6. Finally...! Any ideas in light of above re tracing the earliest of the Row / Roe etc gang- Solomon and Mary both born around 1799? (Ireland!) And can I draw any info re religion from their names?
What can I say other than thanks for reading and for any advice!
Best wishes
Amanda
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Starting with the original email.
Did your family move from Cumberland to Ireland? I'm researching the opposite route!
Many Irish people moved to Cumberland for work eg mining. Many left Northern Ireland I think Down, Tyrone, Armagh.
I think my Donley family had origins in those areas.
Little work has been done on the Irish settlement in Cumbria. I was in touch with the Whithaven Records Office last week and was told my Cumbrians had roots in Ireland. They may have arrived in Cumbria direct from Ireland and decided to move home again.
Cheers
Gill ( Researching Donley in Cumberland and Ireland)
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Hi illRice , do you have a Spencer Donley , born 1908 , regiostered in Cockermouth in your tree. I am seeking his father and mother.
Thanks
Peter