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If anyone is able to do a look up for the Parish Register of St Samlet for me that would be most appreciated - details are
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William LANGDON - born circa 1794, Llamsamlet.
-- be thrilled to learn details of parents' names, residence, occupation etc and if there's any x-reference to any other siblings to the same parents. I think his dad could be called Humphrey but that's guesswork and no idea of mother's name.
I've already had confirmation that William married Rachel WILLIAM 17 Apr 1821 and that witnesses were John William and a John Fowey.
Rachel WILLIAM - born circa 1807 but it could have been earlier as this date makes her around 14 when she marries William [whilst he is substantially older, at ~ 27].
-- again, be great to learn of any details of parent's name/s, residence etc or any x-references to possible siblings. I had thought John William was her dad but not so sure now :P
Known children all born Llansamlet and therefore likely baptised at St Samlet
o Elizabeth Langdon ~ 1822
o David ~ 1825
o Mary ~ 1831 -- could there be other siblings between David/Mary?
o Rachel ~ 1833
o William ~ 1838 - could there be another sibling or two between Rachel/William?
Cheers
Lynda NZ
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Hi Lynda,
William LANGDON, father Humphrey, baptised 18 January 1795 at Llansamlet - no other information.
Grace LANGDON, father Humphrey, baptised 13 April 1783 at Llansamlet - no other information.
Elizabeth LANGDEN, father Humphrey, baptised 27 Feb 1785 at Llansamlet - no other information.
I'll post again with any further info.
Regards,
Lee
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Hi again,
Rachel WILLIAM - 2 contenders:
- baptised 06 October 1797, father Christmas (I'm not kidding!)
- baptised 18 March 1802, father William
I'm really hoping that the first one is yours, but I suspect it's the latter.
Regards,
Lee.
ps - I can find no baptisms for William's & Rachel's children.
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lolll - I love it! 'father' Christmas.. hehehhehhee...
I'll dig around and see if I can find anything that will enable me to confirm which is the right one -- thanks ever so much Lee!.
Bad luck about their kids BP's but at least I have some info on other sibs for William so that's all good indeed...
No rush but if you have any chance to see if you can find anything on the father Humphrey - perhaps a marriage or death ot even a birth -- that would be awesome indeed...
Cheers and thanks again ;D
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In the 1851 census, Rachel's birthplace is given as SWANSEA which, if true, throws my last post into the shredder! Her age is given as 52 giving a birth year of circa 1798/9. This also tallies with the 1841 census which gives the age of both William and Rachel as 45 (real age 41 to 45).
Back to the drawing board!
Regards,
Lee.
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bugga.... Just about to tuck in, looking for Christmas! lollll
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They seem to have lived Llansamlet all their lives but I can't find any 1841 census with an adult Christmas mentioned that might fit....
hmm... 1861 census places her as born St Thomas, Swansea so possible there might be a record of a baptism there for her.... Would you by any chance have any access to those ?
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Possible Humphrey sighting!
Marriage between Humphrey LANGAN and Elizabeth TOPHAM 12 September 1779, by banns, at St Mary's Church, Swansea; both of parish.
"Humphrey" in South Wales is not quite as rare as hen's teeth but not far off, so one that has a surname close to LANGDON is worth taking seriously. William and Rachel show up as LONGTON quite regularly in the censuses.
Regards,
Lee.
Error - I should have written LONGDON not LONGTON.
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Hi Lynda,
St Thomas Church was completed in about 1887 so prior to then, all church business for that area belonged to Swansea St Mary. BUT, looking at a map of the area, it seems possible that a person living just outside the then town area could live at an address known locally as St Thomas but be actually living in the Llansamlet (Lower) parish.
I can't find a Rachel WILLIAM baptism in Swansea St Mary that satisfies Rachel's age as given by the censuses so, perhaps, the best information we have is that Christmas is back on the agenda.
The closest St Mary baptisms that I can find are 2 in 1804 - pretty far out as far as the censuses' information is concerned.
Regards,
Lee.
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But there again...
I've stumbled over some Llansamlet burials which stir the pot again:
- William LANGDON, buried 23 July 1855 aged 61, address Cnap Goch. The age tallies well with the information that we already have for your William. This burial also agrees with the fact that, in censuses, William was alive in 1851 but dead in 1861.
- Rachel LANGDON, buried 03 July 1869 aged 62, address Foxhole (which agrees with her last-known address in 1861). But if that age is correct, then Rachel was born around 1806/7! But her age in the 1861 census was given as 64, meaning that the death age should have been about 72 if the census age is correct; I have no reason to believe that the 1861 census age is wrong because it agrees with the two earlier censuses. The death age of this Rachel is given as 61 in FreeBMD and the GRO index. I suggest that you treat this Rachel as a 'maybe' on the grounds that the information from the original informant was inaccurate - or that this could be rogue Rachel having nothing, at this stage, to do with your LANGDON family.
Isn't this fun? ;D
Lee.
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Fun indeed.... oh Joy ... lollll..... :P :P :P
I'll have to see if I can find anything that will help me wade through the murky waters.... Most appreciative of your suggestions and assistance on this one .. I'm a newbie at this and had thought I was managing reasonably well until now.. lolllll
Grist for the mill indeed Lee!
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and just picked up on your Humphrey sighting! how exciting! the hunt is on!!
Does the marriage record give any information such as ages or addresses/witnesses Lee?
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Hi Lynda,
I'm not much more than a newbie at this myself but, because I'm limited in being able to travel and, therefore, to haunt local record offices, I spend most of my days at my computer or reading books which my local library borrow for me from other libraries across England and Wales. So any information I gather is very much 'bookish' and not hands-on; I've never handled, or even seen, a parish record.
I've also received tremendous help from people on this site.
So any information that I post may be part of your jig-saw puzzle but, equally, it could seem to fit but it actually belongs to a different puzzle.
Back to the LANGDON family. I've got more burials which will probably interest you; I'm just trying to sort out in my own mind who belongs to who before I post them.
On Humphrey - I've got nothing further to add to the initial post. If he is actually a LANGDON you might have to explore outside Glamorgan to find any more. From census information, the LANGDON name seems to be concentrated in the West Country - especially Somerset.
I'll post again later today.
Lee.
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Hi Lee
no pressure or rush but wondering if you'd had the chance of sorting through the details of the burials you thought might fit?
cheers
Lynda
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Hi Lynda,
I do apologise - I've got the most undisciplined mind in the world; I get side-tracked very easily when I run across a name or place that I think is familiar. It sometimes leads to a remote family connection or, more often, spends weeks following a paper trail to nowhere. I thoroughly enjoy the journey but am mostly disappointed with the results. I also tend to forget that other people don't have all day and every day to meander around their family research. So, if I say that I'm going to post back and it looks as if I've forgotten then, please, give me a (figurative) nudge to remind me! :-[ :-[ :-[
Back to the burials:
David LANGDON, of Pentrechwyth, buried at Llansamlet 27 Feb 1886; age 60. The age and place tie in with this being the son of William and Rachel.
According to FreeBMD, David LANGDON married Ann DANIEL 4Q 1858 Neath 11a 644. I had a choice of Ann DANIEL or Catherine DAVIES; I finally picked Ann because an Ann LANGDON, of Foxhole, was buried in Llansamlet 04 Dec 1869; age 43. This seems to tally - right area and age and the 1871 census shows David to be a widower. There is no death registered for a Catherine LANGDON in the right time-frame.
The death of a Rachel LANGDON was registered (FreeBMD again) 3Q 1871 Neath 11a 301; age 12. There was a daughter, 12 year-old Rachel LANGDON, living with widower David in the 1871 census. This also tallies with a burial on 27 Aug 1871 of a Rachel LANGDON, of Pentrechwyth, at Llansamlet; the age in the burial index is, however, given as 13M. There appears to be no Rachel LANGDON birth listed anywhere in England & Wales in 1870.
.... and there's more to come!
Regards,
Lee.
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lolll.... I completely understand Lee -- I'm starting to work through my tree to cull out some of the way more distant links I had originally connected as now that I am further along with my discoveries, I can safely remove them.
I ranged far and wide initially as I wasn't sure what link-up could lead to a breakthrough elsewhere and indeed, some trails were way more interesting than my actual branch!
I appreciate your 'ranging' on my behalf -- run wild and free! lolll :-)
I'll pop this into place and see what the mix looks like...
cheers
Lynda
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Hi Lynda,
I've sent you a Private Message to inquire about your access to information.
Regards,
Lee.
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Lynda,
Checked briefly yesterday for the baptisms of William and Rachel's children (1822 - 1838). Thought they might have been under St Johns juxta Swansea (once linked with Llansamlet) - no joy. Checked several other parish records for the area - again no joy. Will try and complete full search this week.
Found William and Rachel's marriage register record for April 1821 - can copy/scan/forward if required.
regards
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Thanks indeed for your help - I've sent a PM with my email address Hanes and would love a copy . :D :D
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The following were baptised at St Samlet's Church, Llansamlet - father's name Christmas William
Mary William, 19 Sep 1773
Francis William, 13 Dec 1778
David William, 4 Jun 1881
John William, 16 May 1784
Rachel William, 8 Dec 1786*
?? Male, 14 Jun 1789
Rachel William, 6 Oct 1792
* - the burial of a Rachel William, St Samlet, is recorded 15 May 1788
The age of the Rachel that married William Langdon never quite ties in with the 1792 baptism above, except possibly the 1841 Census where Rachel's rounded age of 45 could put her between 45 (1796) and 49 (1792). Neither does the burial date of 3 July 1869 of Rachel Langdon, Foxhole, age 62, fit well with this 1792 date.
Have yet to check out the Rachel baptised 18 March 1802.
regards
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food for thought on this result indeed Hanes -- it would appear that this Rachel is a co-incidence rather than being the actual Rachel I'm hoping to discover.
We do have note that a John William was a witness at her marriage to William Clement, but of course, there must be a very great many John William so again, it's not quite enough to tie together neatly :-(
Very grateful for our assistance in unravelling this one!
cheers
Lynda