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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: annienz on Sunday 27 June 10 05:26 BST (UK)
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Wondering if someone could help me find Ebbett family members from St Keverne, Cornwall who arrived in New Zealand ?, married and died here. Am looking for year of travel if possible. Surname is Ebbett - Frank Rogers b. 1851, John Harris b. 1854, Charles b. 1856 and a later generation of George Matthews b. 1884 and Henry Alfred Vincent b. 1894. The two younger chaps are nephews of Frank Rogers, John Harris and Charles. John Harris married NZ 1882, Charles and his wife Alice had their first child here 1888, George Matthews Ebbett married in NZ 1909 and Alfred 1921. Any help with passenger list info would be very much appreciated. With thanks....Annie
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There is an ITM for John Harris that states length of residence 2 months
Now it can just mean in area but could mean he came to NZ about March 1882
Married Woodville, so you would suspect first ship into Wellington
Bye
Althea
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Look at this book entry
In September 1874 a 21-year-old farm labourer, John Ebbett, sailed for New Zealand on the Clarence and the certificate of his marriage in New Zealand in 1882 shows him to have been born at St. Keverne, the son of a coastguard.
http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-ArnFart-c10.html
Bye
Althea
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Sure enough a Charles and John on board
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ourstuff/Clarence.htm
CLARENCE 1875
Clarence
Ship: 1105 tons
Captain: Emmett
Surgeon Superintendent: W D Murphy
Sailed London September 24th 1874 - arrived Hawkes Bay January 5th 1875
Bye
Althea
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Althea.....Can't thank you enough for your help. Yep, those two are mine and I have now added that information to my family tree. Just the remainder to look for now.
Thanks for being such a gem!
Kind regards
Annie
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Hi Annie,
From Cornwall OPC
John Harris EBBOTT, Christened 01 February 1853, St Keverne, Cornwall
Father, William Wilkins EBBOTT
Fathers' rank/profession, Coast Guard Man
Mother, Ann Ebbott
Residence, Treloyan
1861 Census
Treloyan,
St Keverne, Cornwall
RG9/1573/51/18
William EBBET, 51, Head, Mar, Coast Guard, born Dover, Kent
Ann Ebbet, 42, Wife, Mar, born St Agness, Cornwall
Eliza Jane Ebbet, 17, Daug, Unm
Frank Rogers Ebbet, 10, Son, Scholar
JOHN HARRIS EBBET, 7, Son, Scholar
Charles Ebbet, 5, Son
Thomas Ebbet, 2, Son
Al children born St Keverne, Cornwall
You are so lucky ;)
Christening, IGI, Extracted Record;
William Wilkins EBBET, 27 October 1811, St James the Apostle, Dover, Kent
Parents, WILLIAM and SUSANNA
Siblings on same batch;
BROOK Ebbot, 14 December 1794
FRANK ROGERS Ebbet, 14 May 1797
ROBERT Ebet, 12 March 1800
CHARITY JUSTICE Ebbet, 25 February 1803
Love that name Charity Justice :)
Trish :)
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Hi
You might be interested in the following info related to William Ebbett.
He entered the CG Service, having served as a mariner on the Revenue Cruiser Lively, with a first posting to Hastings CG Station on 1 Oct 1836.
He was transferred from here to Portreath on 22 April 1837, then on 15 Sept 1848 to St Agnes. On the 26 July 1852 he was promoted to Commissioned Boatman (from Boatman) with a transfer to Coverack, from where he was superannuated on 31 July 1865.
During the Crimean War, because of a shortage of trained seaman, men from the CG Service were asked to serve in the Royal Navy. William was one such man, serving on HMS Royal George as an Able Seaman. For this service he was awarded the Baltic medal, which was sent to Falmouth in 1857.
Regards
Martin
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Hi Martin.....thank you for the information you sent about William Ebbett and yes, was very pleased to receive it. Where does one look to extract such information? I am always amazed at what information is out there, but overwhelmed at times by the help given from kind folk such as yourself.
Take care and kind regards
Annie NZ
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Trish..... thank you for all the information you sent. Thomas Ebbet aged 2 in the 1861 census was Thomas Frederick Harris Ebbett who married wife (number 1 of 3) Grace Matthews and their son, George Matthews Ebbett immigrated to NZ and married Mary Albion Paul. George and Mary are my husband's grandparents.
And yes, Charity Justice....what a fab name....worth a place in the family history book!
Thanks again and kind regards
Annie
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Hi Annie
I'm pleased the information was of interest.
William's service details were extracted from the CG Records in ADM 175, which can be downloaded for free from the National Archives website. However, these files are VERY LARGE!
The Crimean War info comes from a personal research project to identify the 2/3 thousand CG Men who served in the Navy. This has been done using Ships Description & Muster Books and the medal roll.
Finally, I believe Thomas entered the RN, because his service records pre and post 1873 can be downloaded (for a small fee) from the NA. Please note the date column is the mans date of birth.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=browserefine&query=last_name%3debbett&catid=15&pagenumber=1&querytype=1&mediaarray=*&sortspec=first%5Fdate+asc
Martin
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Hi Martin,
What a fascinating interest you have in CG men. It must have been an mentally exhausting challenge to track down that large no.
Hi Annie,
Do you have access to Census Records?
Would you like me to try and find any extra info on Ebbetts?
Trish :)
( Born in NZ!)
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Hi Trish
There are times when I wished I had not started it :D
Annie you could also look at the GENUKI CG Site, because there are a few Ebbetts listed, and given the use of Frank Rogers as a christian name in 1851 this may tie in a brother to William.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Coastguards/D-E.html (http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Coastguards/D-E.html)
Martin
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Hi again Martin
Frank Rogers....well if those born in the UK weren't enough, there were another 4 Frank Rogers Ebbetts born here in NZ and I have found it confusing to say the least. Another of their favourite names was John Harris and oh...lets not forget about William Wilkie!! :) The Ebbetts really understood the meaning of naming patterns. I was searching for my dad's merchant navy records at Kew, when I stumbled across the 3 coastguard Ebbetts, although I did notice that some of the information isn't quite correct and other bits are missing. There was some information I didn't have however, so to get that was really great.
I will look at the record for Thomas, even if I have to pay....it isn't much. Thanks again for all you help...Annie
Hi Trish...No I don't have access to the census....I always go to the library to search Ancestry. Not a bad thing...gives me time to myself!! However, if you are looking for something to do one days, perhaps you might like to see if you can find Brooke and Charity Ebbett in the 1841 census....which come to think about it might be an impossible task because they will probably be married. I will be in touch...in the meantime....thanks to all....Annie
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Hi Martin....me again
My husband and I returned last year from a 5 year working holiday of the UK and while we were there, we spent a very pleasant few days at St Keverne. There are only two Ebbetts buried in the St Keverne churchyard, being William Wilkins Ebbett and his wife Ann, nee Harris. There was also an interesting memorial to their son Frank Rogers which I thought you might like to comment on:
HEADSTONE INSCRIPTION ST KEVERNE'S CHURCHYARD
William Ebbett
Died at St Keverne
December 16th 1886
Aged 77 years
Ann
Beloved wife of William
And affectionate mother
Died April 20th 1870
Aged 52 years
Also
Frank Ebbett
Died with the smallpox
5th January 1872
aged 21 years
buried latitude 6 degrees north
longitude 55 degrees west
Where did he die and what do you think he was doing there?
Kind regards....Annie
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Hi Annie
6N 55W are the coordinates for Paramaribo in Surinam, a country I've never even heard of in South America, with boarders to Guyana and Brazil.
Given that the family has such a maritime tradition one would have to guess that he was a sailor. Another Member of the Forum might have a subscription to Findmypast, and be able to throw more light on his death.
Martin
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I believe Frank Ebbett died from Smallpox whilst aboard the SS Medway. don't have any other information but this might help.
Cheers
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Seeing this has been revived :)
Marriages from Familysearch Pilot;
FRANK ROGERS Ebbet, 12 May 1820, St James the Apostle, Dover, Kent
to Sarah Deborah MILLS
ROBERT Ebbett, 19 November 1829, St James the Apostle, Dover, Kent
to Sarah Kingsley GASSON
This might be Brook;
SARAH BROOKS Ebbett, 22 January 1814, St James the Apostle, Dover, Kent
to John PARTRIDGE
Burial;
Charity EBBETT, 18 March 1855, St Mary Parish, Dover, Kent, Age 52, born c 1803.
I think she is a Servant age 48 in St Mary the Virgin, Dover, Kent in 1851 under ABBOT. It all fits with Burial.
HO107/1632/435/8
Trish :)
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Looking for William Wilkins Ebbett I found your posts and I think the families are linked. I think my family is descended from William Wilkins by his first wife Sarah Maria Best . They had a son Joseph William Ebbett born 9 July 1838. No idea where Sarah might be buried or when she died. He ( the son) was a Master Mariner marrying Elizabeth Ann Shaw from St Mawes in Cornwall. They had 10 children one of whom according to family records married William Henry Ebbett from the second wife's family in 1899. They had a son Reginald. If you pick this up I would be fascinated to know if this fits your records?
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You are correct William Wilkens did marry twice Sarah Maria Best whom died on the 28th June 1842 and was burried at Land's End by her first son Frederick. She lost Two of her children before the age of 3
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Good afternoon - does anyone have any information about the existance of a special piece of jewellery - namely a ring - for naval personnel. Searching amongst "Lost and Found" in Trove and interested as our surname was mentioned and I did not realise that any of our people were in the Navy.
Any help appreciated.
Cheers
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I'm an Ebbett who's ancestor's sailed and settled in New Zealand. My great grandfather was Frederick who fought in WWI in the Navy and his son Henry who was in the Navy in WWII. See http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/Cenotaph/90635.detail
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Good evening, thank you for your reply to my Ebbett enquiry. I have had a look in my tree - I believe your Great Great Grandfather was Charles Henry Ebbett 1855-1931, one of his many brothers was Thomas Frederick Harris Ebbett 1858-1949 - he was my husband's Great Grandfather. We knew that many of our Ebbett ancestors emigrated to New Zealand and that some of them kept in touch with my husband's family. We have a photograph which was found amongst my mother-in-laws posessions after her death and I have been trying to identify the subject, thinking that it could have been sent to her by her New Zealand relatives. The only identification we have is that written on the back is E Ebbett. Do you know any family who might have kept in touch with Australian relatives? The lady in our picture looks to be maybe in her sixties and I think the picture would have been taken fairly early 1900's. I have not tried to send attachments through a chat page, but can send via e-mail if you think you might be able to help. Thanks again for your contact and look forward to hearing from you. Cheers.
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Good evening, thank you for your reply to my Ebbett enquiry. I have had a look in my tree - I believe your Great Great Grandfather was Charles Henry Ebbett 1855-1931, one of his many brothers was Thomas Frederick Harris Ebbett 1858-1949 - he was my husband's Great Grandfather. We knew that many of our Ebbett ancestors emigrated to New Zealand and that some of them kept in touch with my husband's family. We have a photograph which was found amongst my mother-in-laws posessions after her death and I have been trying to identify the subject, thinking that it could have been sent to her by her New Zealand relatives. The only identification we have is that written on the back is E Ebbett. Do you know any family who might have kept in touch with Australian relatives? The lady in our picture looks to be maybe in her sixties and I think the picture would have been taken fairly early 1900's. I have not tried to send attachments through a chat page, but can send via e-mail if you think you might be able to help. Thanks again for your contact and look forward to hearing from you. Cheers.
Sorry I got it wrong. I never knew my Grandfather and he was Fredrick Irving Ebbett and his dad was Harry. But yes, Fred was in the Navy in WWII. My apologies.
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E Ebbett could be Eve Ebbett. She was an Author. Now deceased.
EBBETT, Eve. Also writes as Eva Burfield. New Zealander (born England), b. 1925. Genres: Novels, History, Novellas/Short stories. Career: After high school, worked as an advertising clerk at a provincial newspaper, then as a bank clerk for 6 years, then part-time work for another provincial paper, including book reviews. Publications: AS EVA BURFIELD: Yellow Kowhai, 1957; A Chair to Sit On, 1958; The Long Winter, 1964; Out of Yesterday, 1965; After Midnight, 1965; The White Prison, 1966; The New Mrs. Rainier, 1967; The Last Day of Summer, 1968. AS EVE EBBETT: Give Them Swing Bands, 1969; To the Garden Alone, 1970; In True Colonial Fashion, 1977; Victoria's Daughters: New Zealand Women of the Thirties, 1981; When the Boys Were Away, 1984.
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I am looking for Frederick Irving Ebbett's NZ WW2 Naval records. Any info on what ship he was on and what his role was would be much appreciated.
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Hi
WW2 Naval records (NZ)
https://www.archives.govt.nz/research-guidance/research-guides/war-records/world-war-two
Suggest you try Archives New Zealand firstly - see first paragraph at above link - they hold some RNZN records.
Use their "Ask an Archivist" facility
https://www.archives.govt.nz/about-us/services-we-offer/ask-an-archivist
They may be able to guide you to where to look next, if they don't have the information you are seeking.
~ Lu
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This will probably be of use to you if you are seeking a service record for WW2.
Clareville Cemetery - Wairarapa
Plot 74 / 1939-1945 War
4373 LDG TEL / F. I. EBBETT / RNZN -- died 10/12/1969
[ This was wrongly entered on the Cemetery index I used as a resource, as > F. L. Ebbett but the actual entry records "F. I. EBBETT". Found a Probate record which confirmed correct person ... and his Will expressed a desire to be buried with the RNZN insignia on his headstone. ]
~ Lu
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Link to Probate record for Frederick Irving EBBETT > (in case it is of interest to you.)
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE78905234
~ Lu
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Headstone photo - F. I. EBBETT - Clareville Cemetery, Carterton, NZ :
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/157078291/frederick-irving-ebbett
~ Lu
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Thank you Lucy. I did see those records but I have just made a request with an archivist. So thank you for that link.