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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Somerset => England => Somerset Lookup Requests => Topic started by: HiFly on Saturday 26 June 10 18:36 BST (UK)
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From the 1911 I got the following data on a Vallis family which are not to far away from where most of my lot come from - so they may be related - I looked through all my research files and I just cant tie any other info with of them up ???
Census 1911 Mill Lane Castle Cary Somersetshire, all born Castle Cary
VALLIS, Eliza Head Widow 48
Emily Daughter Single 23
Percie Son Single 20
Elsie Daughter Single 18
William Son Single 16
Walter Son 10
Bertie Son 7
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I looked through the FreeBMD database and although there are some that could be "possibles" they are often in a different county!!
For example for Bertie the only nearest one I could find is:
Birth BMD Q4 1907 Vallis Bertie James Amesbury 5a 155
or for Walter: Q2 1902 Vallas Walter Camberwell 1d 926
and for Percy Q4 1888 VALLIS Percy Warminster 5a 138
I'd appreciate it if SKS could see if they can find this family group on the 1901 - or give me a sanity check please!!!
TIA - HiFly
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Well that was fun :D The 1901 index wasn't giving me anything so I've just trawled through all the images for Castle Cary - it's a good job it wasn't a big place.
Unfortunately I couldn't find this family (or any other Vallis family) :'(
I can't find Eliza and her family in Shepton Montague (just up the road) either, although there are other Vallis families there.
Linda
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Thanks for trying danuslave.
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i have to agree with linda and to make it worse i cant find this amily in 1891 either :-\
very strange
regards
alli
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Hi :)... What may be a point of interest to you, there is a Vallis Way in Frome, Som.
The non-conformist cemetery is on Vallis Way.
charlotte
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Hi HiFly,
Found them :D, It was the occupations that clinched it.
1891 RG12 piece 1901 Folio 99 page 12 Charles & Eliza Hiscox
1901 RG13 piece 2303 Folio 93 page 10 Charles & Eliza Hiscocks
Children
Emma (not Emily as 1911)
Albert Percy
William
Walter
Charles Hiscox married Eliza Martin 4/1883 reg Wincanton
Charles Hiscox died 1/903 aged 39 Wincanton (reg.dist. for Castle Cary)
I cannot find immediately the connection between Eliza, her family and the name Vallis but feel sure it is there somewhere. I will keep looking.
Elizabeth
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Hi,
To follow on:
1901 Elsie is with her grandparents John and Eliza Martin in Castle Cary.
Can't find the Vallis connection but found this marriage.
Emma Vallis to Albert Martin 2/1863 reg. Wincanton.
Both first names are used for Charles and Eliza's children but can't make the connection.
I hope this helps to identify your family and allows you to move on.
Best wishes,
Elizabeth
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How Intriguing this is Liz!
Am I correct in my understanding that what your are reporting is the family I asked about are not named Vallis but actually Hiscox/Hiscock??
If so I have done some digging and have found that there is a reference to a Harry/Henry and his brother Charles Vallis b1862/1863 respectively whose mother is reported as a Martha Hiscox by a contemparary descendant (not verified).
With help from Forumites here is Harry/Henry at various times
1881 - Residence Higher Shepton, Shepton Montague, Somerset - with Charles
1891 - listed as FELIS - Residence Penmark, Glamorganshire
1901 - Residence Gilfach, Glamorganshire
1911 - Residence 6 John St, Bargoed, Glamorganshire
One of Harry's grandchildren is reported to have commented that before the brothers moved from Somerset to Wales their name was Hiscox!!
This would appear to be borne out by the 1871 entry of a Charles & Henry Hiscock - Residence Lower Shepton, Shepton Montague, Somerset
I also found a baptism of a Charles Vallis - 14-May-1874 Shepton Montague, Somerset
- parents reported as James Vallis & Martha Hiscock!
However I suspect that this is actually an adoption - as I noted that in the 1861 for a James & Louisa Vallis they have a Martha Hiscox, visitor, occupation servant also a Sarah Hiscox age 2. The name Hiscox is transcribed as Hixon.
in 1871 this same household in Lower Shepton, Shepton Montague, Somerset
is composed of:
James Vallis, age 54, Ag Lab b. Shepton Montague
Louisa Vallis, wife, age 56 b. Bruton, Somerset
Harry Hiscox, visitor, age 9 b. Shepton Montague
Charles Hiscox, visitor, age 7 b. Newport, Wales
HiFly
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Hi,
It certainly does seem to be more involved than at first thought. I have a busy morning but will come back to it later in the day when it is too hot to work.
See you later.
Elizabeth
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Well done Elizabeth - I obviously didn't put nearly enough effort into this one :D :D
Linda
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Well done Elizabeth - I obviously didn't put nearly enough effort into this one :D :D
Linda
Not at all Linda ;D ;D - without contributions as per your valuable input & efforts I certainly wouldn't have ever expected the possibles that Elizabeth has kindly offered.
[Passes Choccie biscuit barrel around to all contributors].
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Hi,
I haven't found a lot more to link the families but I have a few dates that might come in handy later on if you expand on the family.
1841 Martha Hiscox age 3 is in the household of William Clarke 50, Eliza 25 and James 15, no relationships given but possibly Eliza and James are children of William and Martha could be the daughter of Eliza. Batcombe
1851 Martha Hiscox is living at Batcombe with James and his wife Fanny their daughter Elizabeth 8 and nephew John aged 12 and father William Clarke 73.
She is described as niece which would make her the granddaughter of William Clarke, thus the daughter of Eliza. Martha is age 13 born Bath. I cannot find a Bath registered birth but there is one for Martha Maria Hiscox 4/1837 Shepton Mallet which would cover Batcombe.
In 1861 Martha is living in Batcombe with the Vallis couple and possibly her daughter Sarah Hiscox aged 2. Birth reg. 2/1859 Shepton Mallet Is this history repeating tself with illegitimate children.
More to follow
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Continued
I have found a few deaths at Batcombe which may tie in with the Clarkes and Hiscox families.
7.7.1839 Elizabeth Clarke d. of Eliza Clarke age 10weeks
13.9.1849 Mary Ann Clarke age 37
16.7.1855 John Clarke age 16
16.5.1860 James Clarke age 37
6.10.1874 William Clarke age 88
1.4.1865 John Clarke from Yeovil age 46
25.2.1841 Sarah Hiscox age 27
5.4.1841 Sarah Hiscox age 2
Unfortunately, I haven't found the Batcombe baptisms yet but I think they may hold a few useful dates.
This doesn't help much with the Vallis family as per your original post but it might fill in the backgroung information.
It would seem that Eliza Clarke gave birth to:
Martha Hiscox (Father's name perhaps) 1837
Elizabeth Clarke cApril 1839
John Clarke c1838/9 No positive birth registration or definite son of Eliza
Need access to the baptisms.
and Martha gave birth to (That we know about)
Sarah Hiscox 2/1859 Shepton Mallet
Harry Hiscox 1/1862 Wincanton
Charles Hiscock 3/1863 Wincanton
Referrring to the baptism you found for Charles Vallis 1874, is it possible that James was the father and they decided to acknowledge the paternity at this late stage in Charles life by having him baptised. It is also possible that James and Louisa Vallis had a son called James who was the father of Charles and Harry.
It is a bit of mystery but I am sure with careful research, it will be sorted.
Regards,
Elizabeth
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Hi again,
Have you joined the Yahoo Hundreds groups for research. They can be very useful as they have transcriptions for specific areas. E.g. Whitstone covers Batcombe and though only the burials are available online, someone may have the baptisms for transcribing and be willing to do a look up for you.
Best of luck with your search,
Elizabeth