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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: AngelFish on Tuesday 29 March 05 19:57 BST (UK)
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Hello
Can anyone offer me advice on where to start here please...?
I have a photograph of my gggrandparents Thomas Grant (born 1865) and Sarah (born 1866 nee Stranchan?). It has been written on, 'Mam & Dad on their Wedding Day, 1887 (or 1883!) Dublin'.
The 1901 census in England shows Thomas Grant was from Birmingham and a police constable, and Sarah from Ireland. The family story goes that Thomas was a policeman and went to Ireland for 'the troubles' as my Grandma used to tell me. He got married & brought Sarah back with him. How could I find out about the wedding, or Sarahs family? I cannot afford to go to Ireland or pay for research to been done there for me. I have also been unable to get Thomas birth date to research his parents.
Also, could Thomas have been employed by the Royal Irish Constabulary or by an English force?
Any help is gratefully appreciated.
Claire
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If you go to your nearest mormon church, they will have marriage records etc. Note down the ref number when youve found it. You can send off 2 euros(from travel agent) and get a small copy of the certificate. Send to GRO, Lombard Street East, Dublin 2.
Mark
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Hi Mark
Thanks for your help.
I have already tried to search the morman internet site:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/default.asp
but no details are shown. I assumed that they would have all records online so no point in trying at a church. Do you know if this is the case?
Thank you
Claire
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Hiya,
I meant go to the mormon church, the internet site isnt as much help. Most of their churches have the records of the births, marriages, deaths on reels. So you have to go thru year by year, just make an appointment to view. Hope this is more clear.
Mark.
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Hi,
There is a complete listing of all the men who served in the RIC, so if your ancestor served he should be on it.
The list is available on microfilm, and I know its kept at the Public Records Office Kew, the PSNI museum have one. as do the Garda Museum in Dublin. It may also be available from the Church of the Latter Day Saints.
The RIC did recruit in England and during the War of Independence recruited special reserves (Black and Tans), and Auxilliares (Auxies). These men were mostly ex soldiers and the latter were mostly ex army officers.
Its important to find out his warrant number before you search and there is a book that contains an alphabetical listing giving the warrant number. If you send me his details I may be able to find his number for you.
The information on microfilm contains the following:
Warrant No.
Name
Age
Height
Native County
Religion
If married
Native County of Wife
Recommendations
Trade
Appointment Date
Allocation (County)
Promotions
Rewards
Punishments
Discharge Date
Injuries
Remarks.
Further information on RIC members may also be available in Kew.
Regards
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Hi
Thank you for the help! I have an appointment at Latter Day Saints on Friday so wish me luck, I'm a records center virgin.
I don't know what details you need to find that warrent number but hopefully this will help:
Thomas Grant - born 1865? Birmingham - 1901 census (Newcastle) shows him aged 36, Police Constable
Religion - Roman Catholic (I expect)
I cannot trace him on 1881 census on-line
1901 census also shows:
Wife - Sarah 35 Ireland
Dau Selina 9 Newcastle
Son Thomas 7 "
Son Ernest 5 "
Son Reginald 3 "
Day Violet 3mon "
Regards
Claire
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Hi,
I will try to have some information for you before Friday.
Regards
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That would be wonderful if you could, but don't feel bad if you are not able.
Thank you.
:)
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Hi
There were 2 Thomas Grants who served in the RIC:
Grant, Thomas 50356
Grant, Thomas Henry 71745
Hope this helps.
regards
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Hello
Thank you so much for that. The records for the first warrent number 50356 are in exactly the right time period but the second are not. I have odered the film as they are not kept at the Church and just have to wait now. Fingers crossed it is my Thomas Grant!
Claire
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I was reading this thread as my great-grandfather was Thomas Grant, a policeman in Dublin.
I have no connection with this Thomas Grant, but you should be aware that there were two police forces in Ireland at that time - The RIC and the DMP (Dublin Metropolitan Police)
The complete lists of members are available in 2 books written by Jim Herlihy , and you can read them in your local public library
The civil marriage records are now available online via the Mormons
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html
which is not easy to use, but once you get the hang of it, it does have it all indexed.
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There is a birth for Thomas Healey Grant in FreeBMD June 1865, Birmingham, ref. 6d 41
Is this your man?
Kooky
[This is the only birth for a Thomas Grant in Birmingham, from 1864 to1866]
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I was reading this thread as my great-grandfather was Thomas Grant, a policeman in Dublin.
I have no connection with this Thomas Grant, but you should be aware that there were two police forces in Ireland at that time - The RIC and the DMP (Dublin Metropolitan Police)
The complete lists of members are available in 2 books written by Jim Herlihy , and you can read them in your local public library
The civil marriage records are now available online via the Mormons
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html
which is not easy to use, but once you get the hang of it, it does have it all indexed.
Corisande
Thank you very much for your post. I didn't know there were two police forces in Dublin, and I didn't get any further with finding any of his police records.
I did however find his marriage certificate to Sarah, which actually took place in Birmingham (The Register Office) in 1891!! So I've no idea why Dublin was written on their photo. I didn't think of looking at English marriage records until I went to the Latter Day Saints Research room where someone looked at the photograph and said they thought it had been taken in England because of the background set!
I will have to try to see if my little local library can get those books in.
Good luck with your Thomas. :)
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There is a birth for Thomas Healey Grant in FreeBMD June 1865, Birmingham, ref. 6d 41
Is this your man?
Kooky
[This is the only birth for a Thomas Grant in Birmingham, from 1864 to1866]
Hi Kooky
Thanks for that, I don't have his birth certificate yet. There is a very good chance that is my Thomas, because his Grandmothers maiden name was Healey. :)
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I didn't know there were two police forces in Dublin
Just to clarify, there was only one police force in Dublin, and that was the DMP. They had sole responsibility for Dublin policing
RIC were responsible for everything outside Dublin
The two forces did not overlap
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Oh, okay. Thank you.x
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as far as I know the DMP just covered Dublin City.. the rest of county Dublin was covered by the RIC
http://www.royalirishconstabulary.com/index2.html
Shane