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I'm totally new to this and just starting out. I recently attended my grandfathers funeral in Wilkes-Barre, PA and realized that a significant amount of my family is from Wilkes-Barre/Plymouth, Pennsylvania.
Does anyone have any information about any Batey's coming to that area of the US?
Last Solid information I have is George Francis Batey (1885-1970) married to Nellie Durbin Batey (1886-1965). I was told George's dad was burried in a nearby cemetary that had a lot of flooding so the stones have been wiped away. I believe his fathers name was George as well and I was told he had a brother named William.
Any help?
I've traced the Durbin's back to George Durbin (1852-1894) married to Caroline Durbin (1851-1912). Those are Nellie Batey's Parents.
Any help?
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Hi and welcome to rootschat
Do you have any proof that your family originated in Durham? If not then we might be better moving your post to the Beginners' Board so that more people see it. Where did the marriage for George and Nellie take place? I can see a birth for George Francis Batey in Gateshead in 1860 (not one in 1885) but there is also a death in 1861. That may be the same one or another generation. www,freebmd.org.uk is a very useful site to check that sort of thing. When did they emigrate?
Regards
Andrea
Post now split from old topic.
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George Francis died after 1905 you could get the death cert from Pennsylvania. Follow the US census up until you do not see the father George William then order a ten year search for his death certificate. If any family knew his origin and parents names they are asked on the form and this would include his mother's maiden name. You would find out what Jennie's last name was then find her birth in England.
From the WWI and WWII draft entries George Francis Batey was born in Plymouth, Luzerne CO., PA 18 Nov 1885. Looking at the 1900 census where George is still at home his father was George William Batey born England, and mother was a Jennie also born England but the most likely married in the US. George William Batey was born according to census Sept 1857. There is a birth of a George William Batey registered 1857 Sept ¼ Stockton 10a 93. He emigrated to the US in 1870 so most likely will not appear on the 1871 in England and may or may not appear of the US 1870--depending on when he traveled.
Janis
formerly of PA
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Most likely family as they are also in the 1880 census for Plymouth PA
1861 census RG9/3788 folio 106 page 32
Westoe, Borough of South Shields, Ward Jarrow, District Holy Trinity
No 5 Eldon Street
Thomas A.? Batey, Head, Mar, 46, Waterman, Northumberland Newcastle
Elizabeth Batey, Wife, Mar,40, Northumberland North Shields
Thomas Batey, Son, Unm, 18, Waterman, Northumberland North Shields
Mary Ellen Batey, Daur, Unm, 20, Northumberland North Shields
Ann Elizabeth Batey, Daur, 16, Scholar, Northumberland North Shields
Hannah Batey, Daur, 13, Scholar, Northumberland North Shields
George Wm. Batey, Son, 3, Durham West Hartlepool
Robina Batey, Daur, 1, Durham South Shields
West Hartlepool is in the Stockton registration district.
There is a marriage registered in Newcastle for a Thomas Batty and Elizabeth Bedford in 1844 Mar ¼ Newcastle Tyne 25 263, they married at All Saints Church. Getting their marriage cert will give both father's names. But first you must find out if this is your family. I suspect it is.
Janis
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You should probably start a new thread as this is one that was marked as completed.
Janis
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Thanks Andrea for putting this in a separate thread
Janis
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Hi Janis!
Thanks for the help! It's crazy, but my grandfather and aunt had some papers and birth certificates. I wasn't exactly sure where everything fit but you helped confirm that for me.
Turns out among other things, we have the original wood trunk my line of the Batey's came over to America with. There is also a church type book that listed all the kids that Thomas Atkinson Batey (A. was for Atkinson) and Elizabeth Batey had including the death dates for the children.
The document I found, which i previously wasn't sure where it fit, says that Thomas Atkinson Batey was born April 9, 1815 and died July 10, 1882. THEY WERE MARRIED March 25, 1838 in what looks like (writing is faint) Milburn Place, South Shields, England.
I'm new to this and not sure what sites to go to....where would I track down documents on Thomas Atkinson Batey and Elizabeth Batey from Milburn Place?
Thanks again! Before your help I wasn't sure where everything fit and you helped me put everything together!
Best,
Andrew
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That marriage document you have should state her maiden name. That is what you need to know. If they married in 1838 there should be a marriage registered. Does it say a church or was it the registry office. There are so many ways to spell Batey that are around and it was not an uncommon name. Beattie, Beatie, Beaty, Bettey, Batty, etc.
If the marriage papers you have do not have her maiden name then you do need to order George William's birth certificate. It is about $15.00 USD. You order from the GRO and can pay by credit or debit card. You don't need to put anything down but the reference numbers It may ask for things--occupation of the father etc but don't fill that in. It also must be spelled how it is in the index. Once you are sure of the mother's name then we can find the appropriate marriage. That cert will give you the couple's fathers name and occupation and the couplde's address. In England back then you had to get married in either a church or the register office. No in the home marriages.
I do have one concern--there is a big gap in years between Hannah and George. Are there children in the records you unearthed that shows other children? Was Mary Ellen the first? She could be Mary Eleanor.
1851 HO107/2409 Fiolio 351 page 86
North Shields, Tynemouth
South Street
Atkinson Batey, Head, Mar, 35, Engineer of Steam vessel, Northumberland Newcastle upon Tyne
Elizabeth Batey, Mar, 37? or 32, Northumberland North Shields
Mary Ellen Batey, Daur, 10, Scholar, Northumberland North Shields
Thomas Batey, Son, 7, Scholar, Northumberland North Shields
Ann E. Batey, Daur, 5, Scholar, Northumberland North Shields
Hannah Batey, Daur, 2, Northumberland North Shields
I would be a little surprised if they married in South Shields but anything is possible it is only across the river
There is a a baptism of Thomas Batey in Tynemouth Christ Church on 8 Sept 1839 son of Atkinson and Elizabeth
It could be that Thomas Atkinson Batey's father was a Thomas so instead of calling him junior they used his middle name but that is speculation. I have been trying to find a marriage of anyone named Batey with an Atkinson
1841 censusHO107/835/9 folio 12 page 15
Tynemouth, Milbourn Place (note the address)
Atkinson Batey, 27 waterman, Y
Elizabeth Atkinson, 22, Y
Mary Ellen Atkinson, 1mo, Y (Mary was crossed out)
Milburn Place or street is a residence in North Shields/Tynemouth not the address of a church
Janis
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There is a marriage in St. John the Baptist 1838 between Atkinson Batey and Elizabeth Clouston. The GRO register no is 1838 Mar ¼ Newcastle on Tyne 25 295
There is a baptism in Tynemouth (North Shields) of Elizabeth Cloweston d/o Thomas and Elizabeth 23 July 1819 Milburn Place, Mariner
Also at Tynemouth Christ Church a marriage of Thomas Clouston and Elizabeth Clark 18 Dec 1815, by banns, both were single, witnesses were William Clouston and Elizabeth Russell.
Janis
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Baptisms Tynemouth Christ Church:
John Clark Clouston 11 July 1830 s/o Thomas and Elizabeth, Milburn Place, Mariner
Ellennor Clouston 12 Apr 1835 d/o Thomas and Elizabeth, Milburn Place, Mariner
1841 census: HO107/825/9 folio 11 page 14
Milbourn Place
Elizabeth Clouston, 45, Y
John Clouston, 11, Y
Eleanor Clouston, 6, Y
Above Elizabeth is a John Clark, age 49, Shipwright, Y. Could be a brother of Elizabeth
Janis
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1851 census HO107/2409 folio 351 page 86
South Street
The next entry past Atkinson Batey and family
Thomas Clouston, Head, Mar, 60, Seaman, Scotland Stromness
Elizabeth Clouston, Wife, Mar, 57, Northumberland North Shields
John Clouston, Son, Unm, 20, M—something but not Mariner, Northumberland North Shields
Ellen Clouston, Daur, Unm, 16, Scholar, Northumberland North Shields
John Clark, Brother, Widr, 59, Shipwright, Northumberland North Shields
Thomas Clouston was baptised 19 Mar 1794 s/o John Clouston and Janet Spence in Stromness Orkney Scotland
I think I found the baptism of the brother John Clark In Tynemouth: 4 Mar 1892 s/o Henry and Dorothy, North Shields, Mariner
Janis
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Just read this thread. Atkinson Batey and my gt gt grandfather were brothers, sons of John Batey, carter, of Willington Mill Northumberland (it's on the North bank of the Tne, between Newcastle and the coast)
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the baptism at all saints church, stranton, west hartlepool, on 16 january, 1859 (and typed as per church book):
george william batty.
son of atkinson and elizabeth batty.
address: residing in west hartlepool.
father an engineer.
no actual date of birth given.
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Hi I'm looking for a different George Batey. I can't find any connection between your family and mine but you may be interested that my family rumour was that my Bateys were related to the Batey family who were tug owners on the River Tyne. That business began in 1840 with a John Batey, born about 1812, and continued with his sons and others into the second half of the 1800's, eventually becoming Lawson-Batey.
Unfortunately, I can't find any connection with that family, but you might want to look more closely given that they are also from North Shields.
Incidentally, at that time, North and South Shields were probably better connected than North Shields and Newcastle. Travel by boat across the river would have been considerably easier than any journey by road. The two Shields were considered as the same port from the point of view of ship registrations. There were so many boats on the Tyne it was said you could walk over it. There was a Mariners Church, St. Hilda's, in South Shields were you will find most sailors married, especially if they were foreign.
Anyhow, I digress. My George Batey was born about 1825 in Newcastle and was a Boiler Maker. He married Sarah Johnson who was born in Gateshead about 1826. He lived in Hanover Square in the 1841 census, while she lived in Pipewellgate, Gateshead. They married in Kingston upon Hull in the first quarter of 1846. They then moved to London and are in Hudson Town, West Ham on the 1851 census and in Poplar in 1861.
George became an Engine Boiler Maker for the London and Blackwall Railway Company. This railway had been originally designed by Robert Stephenson to use cable-haulage from stationary steam engines but was converted in 1848 to use steam locomotives. I assume this was when George began working for them.
On 26 Aug 1861 George suffered a violent death caused from jumping from a Railway Carriage. His family then stayed with relations in Erith before eventually all returning to the North East.
I'd be interested if anyone has any further information regarding either his death, his work or the Blackwall Railway.
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The Tug owner was John Batey my great great grandfather, and Atkinson, known later as Thomas, was his brother. I don 't know why he changed his name. The name Atkinson came into the family through their mother who was Hannah Brown . When John was baptised one of his sponsors was called Atkinson Brown but I don't know the exact relationship in the Brown family. Atkinson did not go direct from N. Shields to S. Shields, I think he was in Hartlepool at one time. He and his wife and two youngest children went to America Plymouth PA, in about 1870 I think. His daughter Robina may have married a man of Welsh descent called Richards
Your George Batey is not an obvious relative, but I have not researched the Willington antecedents yet. There were certainly Bateys in Willington Quay area well into the 19th century John and Atkinson I have just remembered had two younger brothers called George. The first died in infancy but the second George, b. May 1824 I haven't been able to trace in later life. Could he possibly be your ancestor?
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No, if we are related at all it is much further back into the 1700's and I haven't gone back that far. I think his parents were John Batey (b. 1791) and Elizabeth Henderson (b. 1801) both from Belford, Northumberland and married at All Saints, Newcastle in 1820.
Family rumours are often wrong and this one seems to be, but I'm glad you have already made the connection to the tug boat owners yourself.
Have you seen this website:
www.classictugs.co.uk/john_batey.html
Also, George Stephenson lived at Willington Quey, and Robert Stephenson was born there.
I know this is meant to be a Durham Lookups Forum but this thread comes up high on Google searches now and I'd still like to make contact with anyone who could tell me more about my George Batey. I forgot to mention earlier that they were not in London the whole time until his death. He had a son born and baptised in Norwich between those two census.
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Sorry we're not long lost cousins. Thanks for pointing out classic tug website, I have seen it , my gt. grandfather was originally involved with the co. but there was some kind of disagreement. lots of info. on Google about Blackwall railway but I expect you've seen that
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A bit late on this one, but I do have the following which indicates that George Batey (married to Sarah Johnson) probably was the brother of John of the tug company. All the children of John Batey and Hannah Brown were registered at the Baptist Church of Tuthill in Newcastle upon Tyne and the images can be seen on Ancestry.They are listed as follows.
Entry 69, John, 1st child, born 1 May 1811 at Willington Mill
Entry 70, Frances, 2nd child, born 19 February 1813 at Gateshead St Mary
Entry 71, Atkinson, 3rd child, born 9 April 1815 at Pilgrim Street, Newcastle
Entry 86, Mary Ann, 4th child, born 14 January 1818 at Pilgrim Street, Newcastle
Entry 87, George, 5th child, born 21 June 1820 at Pilgrim Street, Newcastle
Entry 114, Surtes, 6th child, born 22 February 1822 at Pilgrim Street, Newcastle
Entry 115, George, 7th child, born 12 May 1824 at Pilgrim Street, Newcastle
Entry 129, Thomas, 8th child, born 1 May 1826 at Pilgrim Street, Newcastle
Entry 134, Hannah, 9th child, born 5 December 1827, at Pilgrim Street, Newcastle
The age and location of birth in the various census returns for George & Sarah tie nicely with the one listed above and I think that the family rumour of connection is correct.
There is one other circumstantial piece of information which may or may not help. George's son George Johnson married a Hannah Dodds who was the daughter of Ellen Boutland. She was a member of the Boutland family at Heworth who founded the shipyard at Felling. At the time of their marriage, it can be conjectured that there would be contact between a family operating tugs and one building ships.
Richard
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Many thanks for that. I'll have to look at my research again. That all matches the 1841 Census except for the birth of Mary (but the 1841 census is notoriously unreliable for ages.) I found a George Batey there at Hanover Square, Newcastle. The parents were John Batey (b. 1791) and Elizabeth (b. 1801) both from Belford, Northumberland and married at All Saints, Newcastle in 1820 as I mentioned earlier, and that is not a match with Hannah Brown.
I'd like to believe the family rumours were true after all, and I already had found Hannah Dodds (the daughter of Ellen Boutland) but didn't know about the Boutland shipbuilding connection, so as you say, the circumstantial evidence persuasive.
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Ellen Boutland was the daughter of John Boutland who was one of only 30 survivors of the Felling Pit disaster of 1812. Her grandfather and uncle of the same surname were killed in that disaster. Her grandfather was a half brother to the father of the William Boutland who founded the Boutland Shipyard at Heworth. How strong the family ties between these branches at that time can not be known.
There had a been a family story passed down one branch of the Boutland family that relatives had been killed in the pit disaster but for a long time no evidence could be found to support this. Evidence was recently found so don't give up on these family stories there could well be some truth in them.