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Looking for a marriage or any information on Edward Batha / Bather who was born 1862 in Llansilin. I believe I have him recorded on the 1891 census (RG12/4671) with a "wife" Mary (born 1863 Bangor) and also a son Edward Batha born 1889 Dwygyfylchi, Caernarvonshire (registered as Batha at Conway SEP Qtr 11B / 470) but no further record.
Any help would be appreciated
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A little info;
1881 Census
RG11/2656/35/3
James BATHA, 49, Head, Mar, Farmer of 30 Acres
Mary, 41, Wife, Mar
EDWARD, 18, Son, Farmers Son
Ann, 11
Hugh J, 9
Richard, 3
Jane E, 1
All born Llansilin, Denbighshire, Wales
Trish :)
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1871 Census we have;
James BATHA, 38
Mary, 31
Catherine, 13
EDWARD, 8
John, 7
Emah, 4
Ann, 1
RG10/2779/35/11
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Thanks Trish, I already have all 10 children of James and Mary and know info on 8 of them (my great nan was one of them)
There are only two that need researching, my other post indicates Catherine married as BATHAR in 1880 to one of two blokes, if nobody can help me I will order that MC just by entering her details
Edward Batha / Bather doesn't seen to have married before his son Edward was born and I cannot track him on GRO or after the 1891 census
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Hi
Another member (mjt960) is investigating the family. The information on this thread might be of interest and maybe avoid some duplication:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,462965.0.html
Gadget
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Thanks Gadget :)
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MJT960 is my 3rd cousin, I met him last Saturday after last seeing him about 50 years ago. I believe I have a lot more info on the Batha / Bather family.
MJT960's post centres around John Batha / Bather (> Barrett) who is a sibling of Catherine & Edward
I have a GRO for a Catherine BATHAR MC in 1880, so I will order that to add to the 600+ I already have.
Edward Batha / Bather is the problem
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Yes he sure is as I am unable to find anything else on him as well!
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Just been checking on emigration lists - nothing there :-\
Have Mary and the son Edward been found or do they all disappear?
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It is possible that he may have changed his surname just like his brother John and for the same reasons.
Edward / Mary and son Edward cannot be found on the 1901 census under Batha / Bather and I have done searches in England & Wales just using Christian names and year of birth with + / - 2 years but nothing stands out.
There is no trace of all three after the 1891 census
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Have you considered this death:
Edward Bather aged 34, Jun q, 1896, Conway, vol 11b p 355
Gadget
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Thanks Gadget
No, seemed to have missed that. You may have found a winner with that DCR, and the correct age too. It could also mean that Mary remarried (or married a first time) after Edward Snr's death and also changed her son's surname upon remarriage. That's another DC to be ordered next week
I have now noticed a marriage at Conway in 1907 of an Edward Bather, could this be the son then aged 18 ?
I have to go out for a couple of hours now so will have a look when I return. that death is in the right area as son Edward was registered at Conway
Many thanks
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In 1901 at Conway are;
Mary Bather,born c 1865 Conway,Head
Mary,daughter born c 1893 Conway
Ed son born c 1889 Conway
Hugh son born c 1891 Conway.
RG13/5286/40/43.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Using the free index of the 1911, which we are allowed to mention, the family that William lists are in Conway, as Bartha
Gadget
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This looks like Mary's death:
Mary Bather, aged 70. March q, 1832, Conway, vol 11b, p 673
and it looks as if daughter Mary married a Robert Jones, Dec q, 1913, Conway, vol 11b p 846
son Hugh J Barther served WW1 in the Welsh Guards and the Royal Welch Fusilliers - Reg Nos. 1439 and 222 (medal card only)
son Edward Barther served WW1 in the Bn RWF, Reg No. 479 . I've found his service record (He was 5ft 4 1/2 ins and demobbed 2nd March 1919) Not sure if this was not TA or not :-\ His mother, Mary, is down as next of kin. He was a postman
Gadget
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There are a few Edward Ba*ther/a marriages but this looks like Hugh's:
Hugh J Bather March q, 1927, Conway, vol 11b p 690
Spouse - Catherine Bohane
Gadget
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Hi again :)
This might well be a late marriage of Edward and Mary
Mar q, 1894, Conway vol 11b p 615
Edward Bather/Bathen and Maria Ellen Roberts on the same page
Gadget
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Thanks very much all you guys and dolls for your assistance, the postman is of interest. I spent 30 years with the Post Office and my youngest daughter is a postwoman
Now I need to digest all this info and place into my extended tree
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Further to quote offered by William Russell Jones for which I am very grateful
Edward Batha (1889) then becoming Bather actually died in 1941 registered at Conway as Edward BARTHER - age 52
Hugh is Hugh James Bather who married Catherine Bohane (no further trace of her) and Hugh's death was in 1949 - age 58 again registered at Conway as Hugh J. BARTHER
If Mary did marry Robert Jones I have found 7 provisional kids, yep you got it, more JONES' again, deep sigh
Why, or why, the change of names, it does make it difficult for us
Thanks again for all contributions
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I see there is a Catherine Bohane. Do you know where she came from or have any idea of an approximate age as I have missing Catherine Bohane. Thanks.
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Any idea of a possible birth for your Catherine Bohane?The Hugh James Bather died in 1972,so I think it unlikely she would have remarried all things being equal!I can't find a death for Catherine though?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Any idea of a possible birth for your Catherine Bohane?The Hugh James Bather died in 1952,so I think it unlikely she would have remarried all things being equal!I can't find a death for Catherine though?
I was looking at a wrong death year for Hugh J sorry!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Here is Catherine nee Bohane's death registered as Kathleen Bather, she was born in Ireland and had no children in her marriage to Hugh James Bather who died 23rd July 1949. Hugh was a railway porter. I have her death certificate as widow of Hugh James Bather and her death was registered by her married sister Evelyn Frances Anderson (her details 10th November 1912 to December 1996)
Name: Kathleen Bather
Birth Date: 12 Dec 1894
Date of Registration: Sep 1974 (actual date of death 27th July 1974)
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Dyffryn Con
Inferred County: Conwy
Volume: 25
Page: 0402