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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Aberdeenshire => Scotland => Aberdeenshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: yrowell on Thursday 24 June 10 06:22 BST (UK)
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Hello there
Am looking for any assistance with a Jane Suitor born around 1805 Tarves Scotland who married a George Duthie born around 1807 in Aberdeenshire living at St Clements1851 and St Nicholas 1871 Children as known George Alexander William and James B
Any assistance no matter how small would be greatly appreciated as I can find very little on this couple as I come from Australia
Kind Regards
Yvonne
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Hello Yvonne,
A few questions that others will ask and to prevent duplication.
Profession of George.
Do you have them in the 1841 census.
Ages of children and parents on '51 and '71 census and where born.
Did the whole family go to Australia or just one child.
Have had a look on the www.scotlandspople.gov.uk and cannot easily see a death entry for Jane/Jean Duthie - other name Suitor (with surname variants).
A quick search on the IGI doesn't bring up a marriage or children to them, but pre 1855 that's not too unusual.
Any other info that might help.
Regards, Steve :)
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hi all :)
was george duthie(born c1807) a mason ?
could his wife's name have been jane(jean) chalmers ?
ev
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Hi ev
As per his sons death cert it states George was a Mason Bricklayer In 1871 his residence is listed as St Nicholas Aberdeenshire and Old Machar Aberdeenshire in 1881 when he was listed as 74yrs old Children if correct were Ann.. Alexander.. George Jnr...William and James B The child George Jnr came to Australia in 1855 he was also a carpenter he married a Christina Nicholson from the Isle of Skye in Australia in 1863 and they had 7 children ist child name unknown 2. George Alexander Crombie Duthie 3.Christina isabela 4. Flora Jamieson 5.James 6. Jane Sutor Duthie 7 Isabella Matheson Duthie
Hope somrthing rings a bell with you
Regards Yvonne
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Hello
The only George Duthie dying in Aberdeen/shire with a birth 5 years either side of 1807, is the one highlighted by 'ev'.
He was a widower to Jane Chalmers and a former mason.
Died on 13th March 1885 from pleurisy. Son, George F Duthie witness.
Where did you get the surname Suitor from?
Regards, Steve .....
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Hello Yvonne
Just double checked the 1881 census for you.
The only 74 year old George Duthie on the census is the one who dies in 1885.
On the census he is living (a widower), at Mary Villea, Woodside, the address where he dies 4 years later.
With him in the house is
George B Duthie unmarried 20 years old, Grandson, Printer Apprentice (Compositor). Note: on death entry the initial is definitely 'F'.
John Chambers 48 years old, Nephew, Printer Lithgraphic
Rgards, Steve
If this is your man was Jane Suitor a first or second wife?
Regards, Steve
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Steve :)
just wondering if we have the correct family here ?
if the son george went to australia in 1855 is it likely that he was a witness
to his fathers death cert. 1885 aberdeen :-\
ev
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there is a george forsyth duthie age 40 with family living at mary villea in 1881
george showing as born aberdeen , aberdeen
if this is the son then it looks like it's not the family of the australian george :(
i also see the IGI has a jean chalmers baptized 1804 tarves aberdeenshire
george duthie & jane chalmers married 1832 old machar aberdeen
ev
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Yvonne :)
if you look on the freeCEN website there is
1851 wood side netherlay fetteresso
george duthie 15 apprentice carpenter born fetteresso kincardineshire
also
1841 netherley fetteresso
george duthie 6 born kincardineshire
not sure who his parents are but there is also a christian duthie age 55 on the
1841
could this be his grandmother ?
christian duthie - maiden name christian smith
ev
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Hello to everyone who has replied to the original post. I have just found this and want to explain I was the person Yvonne was trying to help. At the time I was just starting out; I now have more information.
My dilemma has been that I have not been able to completely identify the parents of my gg grandfather George Duthie, born around 1835 in Aberdeenshire. I have his marriage certificate, his death certificate and immigration details to Australia (1855 onboard the William Miles).
On all 3 documents his father is listed as George Duthie, Mason, of Aberdeenshire. His mother is listed as 3 different names. I have a Christina Smith - marriage cert, Jane Suiter - death cert. and also an Isabella (no surname) on the passenger list.
George married a Christina Nicholson in Landsborough, Victoria, Australia in 1863 and died in 1884.
I had almost accepted he must be the son, George F Duthie, to George Duthie and Jean/Jane Chalmers but re-reading this now realise that he could not be the witness at his father's death - 1885 - as he died the year earlier - 1884.
[i]I also found this para about the couple:
http://www.brebner.com/uploads/bre00875.pdf
From the above this paragraph:
Lydia Bremner #923 b. 1847, Aberdeen, ABD, SCT, 18 AUG 1847, Aberdeen St. Nicholas, ABD, SCT, occupation Public
School Teacher, m. 02 JUL 1890, in Cairnottie, Methlick, ABD, SCT,23 George F. Duthie #35782, b. c 1840,24 (son ofGeorge Duthie #35783 and Jane Chalmers #35784) occupation Public School Teacher. Lydia died 1923, Aberdeen
Rubislaw, ABD, SCT.25 1851: Lived with Uncle Robert FORBES in Tullynessle. 1881: Lived with father and second wife
Jane in 1881; unmarried. 1889: Informant at father's death. George: 1890: Lived at Maryville, Woodside, Aberdeen Old
Machar at time of second marriage. 1907: Informant at sister-in-law Mary BREMNER's death.
ii Mary (Helen?) Bremner #925 b. 08 AUG 1849, Aberdeen Old Machar[/i], ABD, SCT, m. 26 DEC
To further complicate matters: Jane Suiter being recorded on his death certificate is strange because that is his daughter's name. She is my great grandmother and her name was Jane/Jean Sutor Duthie. I feel this is perhaps an error on the death cert.
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Sorry for the lengthy post but felt it necessary to explain the whole story thus far. Thank you for any help you have given or are able to give. Robyn :)
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Hi Robyn & welcome to rootschat! I hope we can help you find your ancestors. I also think that the George Duthie in the Netherley,Fetteresso 1841 & 1851 censuses could be your gt.gt.grandfather.You say in your post that he was (also) a carpenter. That is the occupation of George in Netherley.He could've been brought up by relatives (perhaps Christian was his granny?). There is a George Duthie, a mason, born in Fetteresso c1822, married to an Isabella in the censuses. What does the passenger list state about the Isabella you mentioned? Was he travelling alone or did were there others from the same area as him? Who was the informant in the death certificate? On Scottish marriage certificates,if the parents are deceased it will be noted.Is that the same with Australian ones?
Regards,
flst
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Here's a link to another post that yrowell was on regarding the Fetteresso Duthies.
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,273710.30.html
flst
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Hi flst, Thank you for taking the challenge on board and making me feel welcome.
Younger George (b.1835) is shown as a carpenter or joiner on various documents, also a miner when he married during the gold rush in Australia - 1863. In his passenger list the parents simply say George and Isabella - Aberdeen. Other passengers do not seem to relate - he seems to be travelling alone. Others are from Aberdeen or Inverness mostly. Please understand my ignorance due to logistics, I'm wondering if Fetteresso is near Aberdeen?
On all documents younger George is shown to be born in simply Aberdeen or Aberdeenshire.
You mention the George Duthie born c.1822 who is a mason as the possible father - younger George was born c.1835. :-\
Yes, in Aus certificates usually state if a persons relatives are deceased. In younger George's death cert his father is 'not known - occupation bricklayer' it doesn't show him as deceased.
I wondered if there was clue in younger George's son being name George Alexander Crombie Duthie. This George became a marine engineer in Sydney. As a matter of possibly related interest, my own father harboured a lifelong desire to build a boat. He accomplished this single-handed over about 18 years in our backyard. This boat was a 40 foot concrete cruiser!!!
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My great great grandfather, younger George and wife, Christina Nicholson of Skye named their children:
George Alexander Crombie Duthie; James Duthie; Christina Isabella Duthie; Jane Sutor Duthie; Flora Jamieson Duthie; Isabella Matheson Duthie; and E J (?) Duthie.
Christina's mother's name was Isabella Matheson - another reason to use the name Isabella for their daughters. I have found records relating to Christina to be quite precise throughout my research. It is their marriage cert which shows a Christina Smith as George's mother.
I have not been able to determine where the names Sutor, Crombie or Jamieson come from.
Just thought I should add every possible clue. :)
Thank you once again Robyn