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Hi I am looking for Sarah Ann Mansfield. Family records tell me her birth was 23 Mar 1833, the 1841 census says she was born 1834 in Thurrock Greys. Her marriage cert states that she was living in South Ockenden at the time of her marriage.
Is is possible that I could find conformation of Sarah Ann's birth. Her parents were Robert and Sarah.
Thank you in advance for your help.
Cheers
Myshell
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Hello Myshell
The 1841 has Sarah (aged 7) living in Grays, Thurrock with her parents but it does only state Essex as her place of birth not Grays, Thurrock and her parents Robert & Sarah have a N by whether born in same County so they were born somewhere else?
The 1841 census will tell you if an individual is born of the County that they are living in by means of Yes/Y or if they are not born of the County they are living in by means of No/N.
Grays, Thurrock is by the River Thames, South Ockendon is two or three miles north of Grays.
In 1851 Sarah is aged 18 and working as a house servant in Gravesend, Kent which is just across the River Thames from Grays and was easily accessible by ferry. Sarah's stated place of birth is Gays (Grays)Thurrock, Essex
It looks like Robert Mansfield may have died Mar qtr 1848, Orsett R.D and its possible that Sarah Ann Mansfield (his wife) may have got married again in Gravesend to a William Robert Jewiss on the 10th Dec 1850 at St Georges, Gravesend
Bryant
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Something strange going on......
1851 census
2 Pleasant Row, Gravesend
Alexander S Jewiss.......head....49....waterman.....Gravesend, Kent
Mary Ann........."............wife......51.........................Dartford, Kent
Robert.............".............son.......9..........................Gravesend, Kent
Sarah Ann Jewiss........visitor.....17.........................Grays, Thurrock
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*it appears that Sarah Ann Jewiss is you know who?
it appears that Sarah Ann Mansfield (daughter) is the one that got married to William R Jewiss who appears to be born 1830 to Alexander & Mary
SO....Sarah Ann appears on the 1851 census twice under different surnames, thats what it looks like?
Bryant
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Hi Bryant,
Thank you for that info, I had looked at the census before but had failed to check the original printout to find the Y or N before. It could be helpful to me because there is a possibility that Robert and Sarah originated from Suffolk, which is where a marriage has been found for the right names of parents.
(while I was typing a new post came through, so yes )
Sarah married in 1850 to a William Robert Jewiss so I have her located from this time onwards, but unfortunately I have not been able to find Robert and Sarah her parents on the 1851 census.
Still trying to verify her details so I can link everyone up.
Cheers
myshell
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Hello Myshell
A possibility but you need evidence :-\
1794
There is a baptism of a Robert Mansfield on the 23rd Feb 1794 at Swaffham Prior, St Mary, Cambridgeshire. Parents William & Ann
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1812
4th Dec 1812
Robert Mansfield (a minor) of Swaffham Prior married Sarah Medcalfe (Metcalfe) of Haddenham at Cottenham, Cambridgeshire...but that would make Sarah older than what she appears in the 1841 census ie 40 (1841 rule 40-44=40)
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Bryant
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Hi Bryant,
Too many possibilities, A possible marriage on the Suffolk Marriage Index.
Robert Manfield, widower
Sarah Cousins
30th June, 1823
Drinkstone.
One other variant in this mystery is that on Sarah Ann Jewiss's Death cert it states that she was born in Bury St Edmunds Suffolk, which leads me to think that this is where her family hails from, thus the posibility of this marriage(which I gratefully received from the Suffolk rootschat site). This Robert was born in 1792, and although on the 1841 census Robert's year of birth is 1796, I know that these dates were not always the right ones. Sarah his wife's birth year is only one year out. Nothing is certain but it gives me more information to carry on with.
cheers
Myshell
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The 1841 census had a rule....
If individuals knew how old they were they might state it.....
Otherwise the 1841 rule was...... those aged 40-44=40, 45-49=45 etc so Robert was aged 45-49 in 1841 and Sarah was aged 40-44 in 1841..........providing someone knew how old they were?
Bryant
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Myshell
The marriage details of Sarah Ann Mansfield....did it say where she was living in South Ockendon at time of marriage
Bryant
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Hi Bryant,
Thank you for that clarification, I have had a few of my relatives with wildly different birth years in different censuses, and I have known some of their birth dates for certain, so I assumed that they just did not always tell the truth. Is there anything else that I need to know that may help me(since I seem to have a few things twisted).
In reply to to(The marriage details of Sarah Ann Mansfield....did it say where she was living in South Ockendon at time of marriage). Yes, that is what is recorded on her marriage cert, she was married in Gravesend.
Bryant
Cheers
myshell
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Hello Myshell
Mansfield isn't that common a name or certainly wasn't in 1841/1851 and being a blacksmith wasn't part of every family...so with that in mind
Are these Mansfield's connected in anyway?
Grays was an area where their was much employment because of the chalk pits extracting chalk to make cement and fertilize the fields
1841
Kemps Farm, South Ockendon, Essex
Robert Mansfield.......25.....blacksmith.......no
Ann..............."...........25............................yes
Sarah............"...........4..............................yes
Robert..........."...........2..............................yes
Richard Bearman.......25.............................yes
Sarah........."..............20.............................yes
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1841
Leading to Bond Street, Grays
Robert Mansfield.....45......ag lab...............no
Sarah.........."...........40..............................no
Sarah.........."...........7................................yes
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1851
Bond Street, Grays, Essex
William Mansfield........head...35...blacksmith....Henet, Suffolk
Sarah.........."..............wife.....34........................Aylesbury, Bucks
Robert........."...............son.....11...blacksmith....Stifford, Essex
James.........."...............son......9........lab............Stifford, Essex
Thomas......."................son......1.........................Stifford, Essex
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1861
Fobbing, Essex
William Mansfield....head...45...blacksmith....Fobbing, Essex
Eleanor......."..........wife.....33........................Fobbing, Essex
Robert........"...........son......21........................Fobbing, Essex
James........."...........son......19........................Fobbing, Essex
Thomas......"............son......11.......................Fobbing, Essex
Ellen..........."............daur.....18 months..........Fobbing, Essex
William........"............son.......3 months...........Fobbing, Essex
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Hi Bryant,
The only absolute information on any Man(s)field is what I have already stated. The only other maybe info about Robert and Sarah that were married in Suffolk came from another researcher. In her information,
Child 2: William MANFIELD
Name: William MANFIELD1
Sex: Male
Birth 3 Jun 1796 Rattlesden, Suffolk
Christening 3 Jun 1796 (age 0) Parish Church, Rattlesden, Suffolk
Death Oct 1845 (age 49) Rattlesden, Suffolk
Burial 20 Oct 1845 Parish Church, Rattlesden, Suffolk
William is a brother to Robert born 1792
All the Man(s)fields she has connection to come from Suffolk. So I do not know any of these. Sorry.
Cheers
Myshell