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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Laois (Queens) => Topic started by: lawr on Saturday 19 June 10 17:59 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone
If anyone can help it would be great as i have meet with a brick wall I am trying to trace my gt gt grandfarther and his wife, the details i have is that Henry Price was born 1825 in Queens Co and mrried a lady called Ellen born 1831 , they married in Ireland had children earliest 1862 then whole family moved to Tow Law Durham, prob is family say Ellen is American as one census says American Britsh Citizan, others say Born Ireland, been told might have been sent as a child to work in Ne York then came back to marry, know she died in 1904 in Esh Winning Durham, can anyone give ideas how to trave trace them, one of the children John married a Margaret Keogan in Ireland and then had my grandma in Tow Law
Thanks for any help
Lawrence
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Hello Lawrence,
welcome to rootschat.
Family search pilot site http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start
has civil records and some of your family were born late enough to be included in the indexes.
I have just tried Henry and Ann and there are results- parents Henry Price and Ellin/Elinor.
You could send off for a birth certificate for more details.
best wishes
heywood
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Thanks for that,
Will do, my irish side has always seemed a difficult one, as mentioned i know Henry b 1825, Elen 1831 , then the Keogans became involved as gt grandma was a margaet keogan marrying into the prices, sure i will get there, thanks again
lawrence
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Hi Heywood
Just tried that site did find a Henry who married a Ellen Moore might be them, also you are right on the other Henry and Ann as i had Henry 1868 and Ann 1871 allow i couldnt get them up like yourself must be me for some reason, also where would i contact to get there marraige cert from ireland
thanks again
lawrence
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The ones I found have Ellen Hughes as mother.
Here is the link to Irish records
http://www.groireland.ie/
Civil records didn't start until 1864 in Ireland - I think non-catholic marriages were abt 1845 onwards.
I can't see one for John Price and Margaret Keogan but I do notice that Ellen (if I have the right one) is with daughter Julia Hughes b 1857 in 1901- is that her?
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Just seen that John and Margaret Keogan married in Durham - misunderstood sorry.
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see previous topic on some the same people : Price and Keogan (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,462766.msg3234660.html#msg3234660)
Shane
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Hi Heywood
You must be a star, at least to me you are, going have to look at all these as you look to have found them, here is all the details i have, if you could match up would be fantastic.
Henry Price b 1825 Laios, Married a Ellen ??? b 1831 enry died by 1899 i believe in weardale durham. Ellen i believe died in 1904 in Esh while staying with the relatives the Hughes 1901 census she mother in law.
The children they had i only have dates of birth and census just says ireland Margaret 1862 John 1865 Henry 1868 Ann 1871 and Elizabeth 1873. just guessed married about 1860-62.
John 1865 married a Margaret Keogan b 1868 says monghan but i got told in ireland, durham emm anyhow they had Elizabeth my gran in tow law
Will look on those sites but if you have any of the details as you seem so brilliant at finding stuff already, never guessed f you right they married in durham will surpirse the family
thanks
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Hi Shane
Yer been trying along time to trace my irish roots, family over here in durham say will never find out, but i live in hope
thanks shane
lawrence
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I'd start with trying for one birth certs of the children born after 1864 to establish Ellen's maiden name, and give you a more exact location for the family. This would also help establish a parish - which will be required to find the marriage if the family were Catholic.
The index details mentioned by Dara for his birth in the other thread look promising and might be worth a try..
edit : I've just spotted that the other post has John's year of birth as b1868 and here you have it as 1865 ?
Shane
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Hi
Where would i apply for there birth cert, might sound daft question
Lawrence
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see Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html) for details on searching the BMD index, ordering certs etc
Shane
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Cheers Shane
Will check that site, double checked and John Price b 1865 Queens Co, seems according to my uncle says died 1933 in Tow Law
lawrence
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Hello,
the ones I mention which are on the pilot site are, I think, baptism records becuase they name the parents (Shane will confirm, I hope).
The children's names match to some of yours which are in the censuses so, you could apply for the birth records to Irish GRo- I gave you the link earlier.
John and Margaret married in Lanchester district:
Free BMD 1887 Lanchester vol 10a pg 372
Here is English GRO- http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
The Keogans are from Monaghan according to census.
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Hi Heywood
Thanks for all that, looks like i will get some where at last, so thank you again plenty serching to do now, amazed they married in Durham family not believe that they always thought both the Prices and Keogans arried in ireland and came here on mass, just goes to show, really made my nite you two
thanks again
lawrence
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Here is the marriage reference for daughter Julia who was born c 1856
December 1876 Auckland vol 10a pg 337
William Hughes and Julia Price are possible spouses
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to try to answer Heywoods question about the records on familysearch...
there are different types of records on familysearch with the additional details (parents on births etc)in different collections and databases. Many of the records in the newly added BMD collections (see the links in the introduction topic) are extracted from the civil registers, so will only cover those years - note these are not complete for the years stated . There are other records that give parents etc and some of these are extracted church records and some may be based on submitted records like the old IGI system on familysearch...
Shane
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Hi Shane,
thanks for that. I am bothered when I see the new records with parents names. On the 'old' system - it was clear that it was submitted or extracted, is there a way to distinguish that with the newer records?
thanks
heywood
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two possible children... if these fit then it would give a maiden name for Ellen/Ellin/Elinor of Hughes...
Name: Henry Price
Birth Date: 02 Jun 1867
Birthplace: Queen's, Ireland
Father's Name: Henry Price
Mother's Name: Elinor Hughes
Name: Anne Price
Birth Date: 02 Jul 1870
Birthplace: Queens, Ireland
Father's Name: Henry Price
Mother's Name: Ellin Hughes
Shane
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It's ok! I can breathe again.
Family Search IGI has extracted birth/christening records - Price/Hughes
Amongst them- Elizabeth in Ballickmoyler and Elloner Ballylynan.
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thanks for that. I am bothered when I see the new records with parents names. On the 'old' system - it was clear that it was submitted or extracted, is there a way to distinguish that with the newer records?
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One way to spot the extracted details is they usually have details of page numbers in the 'address' and often mention registration districts rather than true townlands or towns. The
the records have various reference numbers...but I haven't worked out what these mean..
Shane
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well I'd say that Lawrence has lots to go on now and will be busy for some time and raiding the piggy bank too :)
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Hi Shane
Looks like your details correct as both are within a year of what family have henry the son 1868, you got 67, and Ann 1871 you got 1870, family did see a pic of Ellen years ago it is Ellen cant get over she wasnt American, been checking 1901 census William Hughes b 1844 and Julia wife 1857 fits with Ellen 60 years old as mother in law, still has her as american british citizan funny lady sdhe must have been, found it under William Hughes 1901 census if you wanted to look, american bit well what can i say, but yer looks like you two have found them so i take it Ellen was a Hghes as well
lawrence
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Here's one of the extracted birth records...
Name: Henry Price
Birth Date: 02 Jun 1867
Birthplace: Queen's, Ireland
Father's Name: Henry Price
Mother's Name: Elinor Hughes
Reference Number: v 13 p 406
and the matching full civil index reference required to order a cert :
Name: Henry Price
Registration District: Athy
Event Type: Birth
Registration : 1867
Volume : 13 / Page : 406
note the same volume page & numbers are included in the extracted record above.
The registration district of Athy covers areas in counties Laois and Kildare.
Shane
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Hi Heywood
Yer piggy bank will have to get raided, what a strange family Ellen being a Hughes then one her children marry a Hughes
Such is life
Lawrence
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Hi Shane
Wondering now if her name is Elinor and not Elen as on pic or maybe just got called Ellen, emmm
Lawrence
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Elinor (or possibly more correctly Eleanor) was possibly her official birth name, but maybe she was known as Ellen. I wouldn't worry about small variation in spelling, as the many people at that time could not read or write very well (or at all) and official documents were often just filled in by a registrar or priest using whatever spelling he decided on.
Shane
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Hi
You probably correct Ellen does seem short for Eleanor, found same on my Mam`s side Thomas Albert Simm appered as Edward on one census known as Teddy.
Thanks for all your help both of you not sure if i would have advanced my Irish side if not for you
Lawrence
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I'm really pleased for you Lawrence and it hasn't been too difficult either :) I just hope that chasing the records will be as easy for you.
good luck
heywood
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Hi
Heywood, got a strange lot in my family, lol, so Ellen Hghes marry Henry Price, then one of their kids marry a Hughes keep it in the family. On my mam`s side my gt grandma married three times on the third one her daughter from the second marrage (simm) my side called ada goes and marries her stepbrother, i didnt want a quiet family tree did i, again thanks for all you done, will go tho all those sites and names/dates later and sort out, but after all this ime i know got Ellen maidem name....
lawrence