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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: CB on Saturday 19 June 10 14:13 BST (UK)
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I am looking for the birth and parents of Elizabeth Ann Turnes or Turner.
She is believed born 1846 in Byker, and may have also had a middle name of Henderson.
Her father i thought to be Robert b c1823 in Bill Quay.
She married a William Palmer in Hartlepool in 1865 a sailor from Devon who died shortly after. No further information about parents or husband.
Any help please,
Regards
CB
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Marriages June qtr 1865
William Palmer Hartlepool 10a 189
Elizabeth Henderson Turner Hartlepool 10a 189
There is an 1851 entry for an Elizabeth Turns b 1848 Byker parents Robert & Elizabeth. The family are living in Southwick Durham
You really need a copy of the marriage cert to confirm her fathers name as the GRO index confirms her surname as Turner not Turnes
The IGI Pilot site shows the date as 5.4.1865 at Holy Trinity Hartlepool and her surname is Turnes
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hi can i just say southwick durham is part of sunderland.
neil
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Thank you both.
Carole, I have managed today to establish that her fathers name was Robert and that it is believed he was a Bottle Maker. Does the 1851 give Roberts occupation?
If not then i will have to order the Certificate. I'm also guessing that her mother was possibly Elizabeth or Ann Henderson.
Regards
Chris.
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1851 for Southwick Durham
Robert Turnes 26 b South Shields Durham glass bottle maker
Elizabeth 33 b Byker Northumberland
Elizabeth 5 ditto
Andrew 3 b Southwick Durham
Robert 1 ditto
HO107 Piece 2398 Folio 455 Page 30
Births
Elizabeth Turns March qtr 1846 Newcastle Upon Tyne 25 380
Son Andrew's birth is shown as Turn
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Thank you Carole, now have another line of research.
CB
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Tees Valley Indexes site has William Palmer marrying Elizabeth H Twines in Hartlepool in 1865. These are transcribed from the original registers, the letters "ur" could have been mistaken for "wi".
This is Robert and family in 1861, conveniently living in Hartlepool, Robert remarried.
Middleton, Stranton,
Robert Turns, mar, 38, Bottle Maker, b. Durham, Bill Key,
Mary Turns, wife, 28, b. Durham, Bill Key,
Elizabeth Turns, dau, 15, Bottle Tellier, b. Northumberland,
Andrew Turns, son, 12, Bottle Maker, b. Northumberland,
Robert Turns, son, 10, Bottle Maker, b. Durham, Sunderland.
RG9/3701/103/7
Alan.
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Thanks Alan,
I now have about 4 different spellings of their surname. Apart from that and Robert giving Bill Quay, South Shields and Southwick as birth places, I am confident this is the family.
I have Found Elizabeth Henderson, his first wife and mother of Elizabeth Ann Henderson Turnes.
The dates on the census from yourself and Carol also match, so i am now happy to proceed with and confirm this line.
Thank you both,
Regards
Chris.
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if you need to know about glassmaking let me know.
neil
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Hi Neil,
I can only assume that there was a Glass making factory in Hartlepool around 1850. I will try and find out some more.
However, what is a Bottle TELLIER ?
I also note that Roberts son age 10 is also a bottle maker!
Regards
Chris.
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hi chris there would have been a few glassworks in hartlepool at this time it had good transport links and access to the raw materials needed.ive had a look at tellier there was no such job in my time in the glassworks but what i could find out this job could have been collecting the scrap glass in the factory to be re used.a ten year old would have started doing jobs like holding the shade for the gatherer this is a shovel or some gauze held in front of the gatherers face to keep the heat off him.i will have a look on line today to find some facts on bottle works at hartlepool.
neil
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Hi, ihave been reading your info on the Turns family at Southwick, were they related to the Green,Ward and Cockburn family from Southwick