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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: eyshame on Friday 18 June 10 21:14 BST (UK)
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Hi, i have searched for years to find two great grandfather's deaths without sucess and have no idea why they are not registered or appear not to be.
I am looking for Thomas Kavanagh born wicklow 1865, married 1894 Co Durham but cannot find death anywhere.
Also Joseph Edward Johnson born 1880 Newcastle upon Tyne, married 1901 Darlington Co Durham and again cannot find a death for him.
Why should this be? How can i find their deaths if they are not listed? Any help would be great.
Thanks in advance
E.
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Hello,
what are the last dates and places you have for them?
The only Thomas Kavanagh I can see in 1901 born 1865 is still single.
There could be variations of his name in the registers - Cavanagh/Kavanaugh etc. Havae you searched for variations?
best wishes
heywood
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Death reg Mar 1/4 1910
Thomas Kavanagh 45yrs Auckland 10a 126
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Thanks but that isn't my Thomas Kavanagh.
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No, I think he's the one I found- right registration district.
So going back to my questions- where and when do you last have him?
I can see his marriage but not him and wife.
Do you have them in 1901 and 1911?
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Heywood, Thomas Kavanagh married in 1894 in Lanchester Co Durham to a Margaret Mc Coy.
Joseph Edward Johnson married in 1901 in Darlington Co Durha, to a Monica Lillian Edith Maude.
I have these two certs so i know they are correct but have never found these men's deaths and i have looked too so i am stuck.
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When did they last have children?
Where were the children born?
Is there any family notes where they were last living?
Have you got them in 1911?
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Thomas Kavanagh's wife Margaret Mc Coy re-married in 1902 to a Patrick Mc Intyre.
He is not to be found in the 1901 census nor is his wife Margaret or his daughter Catherine Bridget aged 5.
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first child born 1896 in Gateshead Co Durham named Catherine Bridget.
Second child born 1899 in Gateshead named John Thomas but died in 1900 in Newcastle.
They lived in Gateshead and he is not on the 1901 census and his wife remarried by 1902.
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Yes, I remember now- I've looked before with no success :(
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I cannot understand why his death or Joseph Edward's cannot be found. I appear to be very unlucky to have lost two great grandfathers'
E.
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I'm wondering of Thomas just disappeared and with so many variations of the name can not be traced easily.
I've not looked for Joseph edward yet. When was he last seen?
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last known for Joseph Edward Johnson is 1907 when he registered his wife's death in Darlington Co Durham - i have that cert.
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and where are his child/children in 1911
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in short, not with him.
He had only one daughter, Josephine Johnson born 1901 Darlington, and i found out that in 1911 she was living with her aunt in Stockton on Tees after her mother died.
Since Joseph E was single again he could have ended up anywhere i guess and started a new family.
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If you get desperate enough (you have to be desperate to do exactly what I did last night!!) - sit down for a few hours and actually read the indexes.
I pulled them up on FindMyPast and managed to "kill off" at least seven people that I couldn't find records for. They were there in the indexes, but incorrectly transcribed by FreeBMD and the records weren't picked up by soundex searches.
The volunteer transcribers couldn't be blamed at all, in some cases "r" looked like "s" in the scans the transcribers were working from, but I happened to know who I was looking for, what I was looking for, and in what geographical area.
You can pull up the indexes for ten-year periods, just put in at least the first two letters of the name you're looking for.
Very tedious but worthwhile in the end.
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Well that is probably what happened.
There is a marriage 1908 Darlington and Joseph Johnsons in 1911 but whether or not any of them are him... who knows?
good luck
heywood
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Trillium i am desperate so please tell me more - direct me as i am quite new to this.
I ask but usually only get 'good luck' when people give up on me so...
E.
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hello again eyshame,
If the reference to 'good luck' is meant to be about my signature, I feel quite insulted.
I spent a long time on your earlier thread searching and trying to help you and am doing so now.
heywood
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Oh no, please don't take that the wrong way, it is in no way meant at you - honest. i would never insult anyone as i am always very greatful for any help i can get.
I have been searching on and off for years now and it is true that quite often when people can no longer help they do wish me good luck but i was not refereing to you at all.
please don't take it the wrong way as i appreciate your helpa nd anyone else's help too.
E.
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that's ok then :D
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Heywood, i am so new to all of this and it is very confussing that i truly am gratful for any and all help. I never ever would insult anyone or hurt their feelings.
Friends?
E
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Well I've had another search for them in 1901 but nothing!
I am sorry but at the moment, can't think of anything else. :'(
heywood
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Thanks. no one has been able to find Thomas Kavanagh ever. I did find, yesterday, a Thomas Kavanagh in the military records for the Boar War, first Leinster Reg on page 637 but i cannot get into the records as i am not a paying member - could be him.
As for Joseph Edward he was married in 1901, i have that cert, but not sure about the 1901 census as he should be on there but...
E.
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What is Joseph Edward's father's name and both their occupations from marriage certificate?
Is there an address for him?
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Joseph Edward's father's name is William born Northumberland, his mother is Elizabeth born Newcastle.
Father and son were both bricklayers.
Up to 1901 all lived in Newcastle.
in 1901 J E married in Darlington.
Thanks
E.
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I was going to try to look for him but you have him!
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Thanks, i only just found him in the last two days and we were very excited to find him and his parents. Looks like i will never find his death or place of rest though. I think that will be too hard, certainly for me. the same applies to my other g grandfather Thomas Kavanagh.
I have promised that if i ever won any money i would love to employ a researcher so i could find them. I am getting old now so i am not holding my breath.
Thanks for the help.
E.
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I would say it is quite difficult to find them - both have names which could be mistranscribed/mispelled and where would you begin to look?
Have you looked in 1911? I'mm sure you have.
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never found them in the 1911 census as i am only with Ansestry so cannot look for them on that census.
E.
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OFFICIAL DESPATCHES .
The Morning Post (London, England), Monday, October 30, 1899
This mentions a Trooper Thomas Edward Kavanagh, wounded in the finger at Battle of Ellandslaagte , Boer War.
He is named in 4 papers , all as Thomas Edward.
Could this be the one you found ?
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No that's not him unfortunately. Many thanks for your time though. Thomas had no middle name and would have been only 35 in 1900.
E.
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Thanks. no one has been able to find Thomas Kavanagh ever. I did find, yesterday, a Thomas Kavanagh in the military records for the Boar War, first Leinster Reg on page 637 but i cannot get into the records as i am not a paying member - could be him.E.
Which site did you find this?
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not on a site that i know of. i found it in the library on the St Catherine's records. there is a Thomas and a John Kavanagh listed. My Thomas would have been born in Ireland, wicklow, and lived in Co Durham.
E.
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These are results for Thomas Kavanagh on FindMyPast, it might be worth paying to look at the results.
Like everyone I can`t find him in 1901. ???
Armed forces births 1761-1994 10 pages view results
Armed forces marriages 1818-1994 3 pages view results
Armed forces deaths 1796-1994 4 pages view results
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Thanks. i did once pay for FindMyPast and thought it was poor compared to Ansestry and i didn't find anything on it, it didn't even list thosei knew about and had certs for.
E.
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Hello.
Would these be your lost Great Grandfathers:
Thomas Kavanagh,
Irish Guards, 1st Battalion.
Born: Co Wicklow.
Enlisted: Dublin.
Rank: Private.
No:7325.
Died: 26th Feb 1917.
Killed in action.
France & Flanders.
Joseph Johnson.
Kings own Scottish Borderers, 2nd Battalion.
Born: Newcastle.
No: 8625.
Died: 14th Oct 1914.
Killed in action.
France & Flanders.
Hope this is the correct Info that you are looking for.
arthur68.
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According to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site.
http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp
T Kavanagh, number 7325 was aged 25yrs at death.
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There were a couple more T Kavanagh names on the Boer War index on Ancestry, one in the Lancashire Fusiliers , killed at Spion Kop on 24 January 1900, the other wounded at Ameersfoort on 29 June 1900 of the Royal Dublin Fusiliers.
BumbleB
Modified: from the photograph I took of the monument at Spion Kop that Kavanagh appears to be J Kavanagh - Regimental Number 5406 Lancashire Fusiliers.
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Have you tried checking Irish Censuses in 1901 and 1911 or in Scotland? It is possible your Grandfather Thomas Kavanagh returned home or went north of the border.
Worth a try.
Another angle to consider is: emigration to somewhere possibly the US, Canada, Australia or New Zealand. Even Africa (especially South Africa).
Please do not give up. I am sure one of these days you will get them!