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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: goldie61 on Friday 18 June 10 01:19 BST (UK)
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Is there any kind person could look up
Millar Nicole on the 1841 Census for me please? It has taken me a long time to find him, as on all other records it says Miller Nicol.
I'm not sure of the 1841 Census for Scotland gives occupations, and exact places of birth, but on his son James' marriage certificate in 1857 it says weaver, living at Mary Street.
I have
Millar Nicole age 30 , born about 1808
Margret 30
Walter 11
John 9
James 7
Janet 4
Isabella 1
I can't find him on the 1851 census (trying all permutations of the name) - at least not with a birth near 1808.
He is still alive 1857 at son James marriage. (James' wife's father IS given as deceased).
Thanks very much in advance :)
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I'm pretty sure I've got some certs belonging to him , give me 5 mins and I'll be back.
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I've got his death cert in 1878 , aged 76, married to Margaret Robertson, 6 Neilston Road, Death reg by son Thomas.
If he's yours I'll see what else I've got.
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Yep, this is him.
Great!
Thanks very much tootsiepie
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I've got the death cert of son Walter if you need it. I'm now having to look at certs where his name may be mentioned, so it may take a while to look through them.
EDIT*1 I've also got son Thomas' marriage in 1871
Edit 2 ''' son Johns marriage in 1855
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Have sent you by P.M. the 1841 census transcription from Freecen.
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I think that's all I've got with his name mentioned on certs (see edits above), but do have some bits and pieces on some of his descendants.
Let me know what certs you need and I can send them by e-mail.
We are not related yet, but probably , somewhere , if we get back far enough. Millers father and my Archie could possibly have been brothers.
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That's brilliant. Many thanks Tootsiepie. Copies of John and Thomas' marriages would be great.
Miller is my ggggrandfather (from son James).
I have his father as Walter which would fit with the son Walter, but proving elusive!
Thanks again for the very speedy reply.
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Send me your e-mail by PM , (don't put it on board) and I'll send certs tomorrow.
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Certs sent. :) if anyone else is interested in this thread , I'll put any transcriptions on the board.
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Just to get back to your original question , there is a Millar Nicol on the 1851 census.
Search criteria on S.P. age 56 , Abbey Parish , Renfrewshire. I know the age is slightly out, but I'd say it's definately worth a look. I don't have the cert, just did a search on S.P. to see if I got any hits.. I originally used wider parameters then narrowed it down. ;)
Only by looking at cert. will you know if he's yours. The age has possibly been mistranscribed, or whoever gave the info did not know his age-(possibly didn't know his real age himself )
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Thanks Tootsiepie for all the info.
Happy hunting
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Hi Tootsiepie, I realize I am several years late to the party, but I have only recently come across this. I am also descended from Millar Nicol and would greatly appreciate a copy of his death certificate, and the deaths/marriages of his sons if you still have them as images. Thanks!
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Hi mcjames
Welcome to Rootschat and the Millar Nicol family!
Your post prompted me to go back and see if I had got any further with Millar - but unfortunately not. His father was Walter Nicol, and his mother Helen Miller. There doesn't seem to be any marriage for them on Scotlands People or Familysearch.
There are several Walter Nicol's in the 1841 Census - but haven't been able to definitely pin one down to 'ours'
Which child of Millar do you descend from? I have found 9 children of Walter and Margaret Robertson.
If you don't hear from tootsiepie (I'm sure you will), I can look out the info I have - a little difficult just this minute as I'm away from home - visiting Scotland in a couple of weeks! Hooray!
Happy hunting!
Goldie
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Hi McJames, I still have the certs and will send them later on today, if you send me your E-mail address by PM.
To send a PM, you will first have to make 3 posts, so reply to this and that should be fine.
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Hi Goldie, was just checking there to see if you still popped and lo and behold :). If I've not asked before , can I enquire about your Cochran connection? Absolutely no rush for info as I see you are away from home.
Funnily enough I keep going back to my Nicol line and to recheck I am on the right family ::)
Hope the Scottish weather improves for when you come in a couple of weeks.
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Hi Tootsiepie
Good to hear from you again.
As I got out my records to reply to mcjames, and I'm still sat at the computer! no probs about the Cochrans.
Millar Nicol had a granddaughter Margaret (her father was James who married an Elizabeth Paton - now there's a family who are one of my brick walls!).
Margaret married James Cochran 14 June 1878 at Paisley. James Cochran was my great grandfather, and in fact my mother still had Nicol as one of her names. And I called my daughter Nicola - funny how these things carry on.
James Cochran's father was Michael Cochran, as were the next two generations back - they were handloom weavers from Darvel, Ayrshire originally. Michael (the middle one of the three Michaels), was the one to move his family to the 'big city' of Paisley about 1830.
Don't know if this ties in with your Cochrans (still sometimes written Cochrane in registers), and I have JUST come across the obit for my grandmother who died in 1939, and everyone was shocked to see the name spelt Cochrane with an 'e'!
My visit to Scotland is mostly to look round the Cochran roots in Ayrshire and Paisley.
Cheers
Goldie ;)
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hi again :)
I have a Mary Cochran married to William Nicol 1830 Abbey (Paisley) and my line comes from their son John. The Cochran name was given as middle names to later children too. Her parents were named from her death cert as John Cochran and Mary Buman (Bowman) m. 1796 Abbey.
The other Cochran I have is Archibald Nicol (Nikol) married to Agnes Cochran 1795 Abbey .
All Cochrans with and without 'e's at various times :)
I will try and look at these lines again tonight when I get McJames certs ready.
''Thought'' As you are a line of Mcjames family do you want to send stuff or will I ?
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Hi there,
I also have 2 Cochrans in my family tree without the "e"!
Margaret Cochran (born c.1771) married Matthew Tannahill (1777-1857) in 1796 in Paisley. Matthew was the brother of the Paisley Poet, Robert Tannahill (1774-1810). I am descended from Andrew, Robert and Matthew's brother.
My other is Mary Cochran (c.1840-1883). Mary married George Parr (c.1841-1924) on 29/10/1861 at 13 George St, Paisley. They were the parents of my Step Great Grandmother, Mary Parr.
I haven't really done any further research about these Cochrans.
Caroline
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Hi Caroline, I can't see any connections (just at the minute) to my lot, but Goldie will probably be back on later to see if anything rings a bell to her lot :)
The Margaret Cochrane m. 1796 the same year as my Agnes but at the moment I can't find a way of proving a relationship, but possibly sisters.
If I find anything I will let you know :)
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There are several Walter Nicol's in the 1841 Census - but haven't been able to definitely pin one down to 'ours'
Which child of Millar do you descend from? I have found 9 children of Walter and Margaret Robertson.
Hi Goldie,
I have also found 9 children. My line comes through his daughter, Janet, who then married a John Reid.
I believe this census listing corresponds to our Millar Nicol and his family:
1841 Census, Parish of Abbey, Burgh of Paisley, Lylesland
Millar 33 silk handloom weaver, Margaret 30 pirn weaver, Walter 13 silk handloom weaver, Margaret 11 hand loom weaver assistant, John 9 hand loom weaver assistant, James 7, Janet 4, Isabella 1
In the 1851 and 1861 censuses the family is on Mary Street, also Parish of Abbey, Burgh of Paisley. Same children, same order.
Tootsiepie, I have already made my 3 posts and will be PMing you shortly.
Thanks!
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Tootsieppie - can't see any connections at the moment - my Cochrans didn't come to Pailsey until about 1830 - so yours were there earlier.
As I don't have certificates etc to hand I'd be grateful if you could pass them on to mcjames. Thanks.
Hi Caroline. Sorry, but as above, my Cochrans seemed to have come much later than yours to Paisley, so can't find any connection at the moment.
mcjames - yep, this is the same family. Your Janet Nicol was sister to my James Nicol - both children of Millar and Margaret Robertson. Although Millar says he was born in Paisley (sometime between 1800 and 1810 I'd say - he's not very clear with his age!), I can't find the record. Nor seemingly can all the other people with him in their family trees on Mundia.com. The trail seem to go cold.
Always something to try to solve!
Happy hunting 8)
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Goldie, yes, Millar is a stumbling block for almost everyone researching this family. Some of the confusion about his age comes from a mistake in the 1851 census, where Millar and Margaret are both listed as 10 years older than they actually were (the kids ages were correct). Here are the census listings I have for them:
1841 (June 7) Millar is listed as 33, Margaret as 30
1851 (Mar 31) Millar is listed as 56, Margaret as 55 [clearly in error, they were 10 years younger]
1861 (Apr 7) Millar is listed as 57, Margaret as 56
1871 (Apr 2) Millar is listed as 68, Margaret as 66
1881 (Apr 3) Millar has passed, Margaret as 77
Ignoring the 1841 ages which are inconsistent, and correcting the 1851 ages, Millar would have been born about 1804, give or take. In the 1861 census Margaret is listed as having been born in Govan, and I have found a Margaret Robertson born in Govan, Lanarkshire, on 1804 Apr 13, which is just about right. Millar is listed on the census as having been born in Renfewshire. Although no specific place is mentioned, he married, had kids, and died in Abbey, Paisley, so it is likely he was born there as well. The Abbey seems to have kept good records. Maybe someone here has access to them. Hope that helps!
Jim
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Hi Goldie, Most of certs been sent.... Have a lovely time in Scotland. If you can, go to Paisley Library, research room, and ask for indexes to Paisley newspapers. You can search by name , for every year, e.g. Nicol and just look for Walter, Miller etc. I think it is computerised now, but you will either be able to see the original article in the newspaper, or a computerised copy. It used to be the massive books the poor Librarian brought to a desk, and of course you always needed more than one book. ::)
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Hi Jim
I'd come to the same conclusion as you about Millar's birth date - good to know others think likewise :)
I see I have written on my notes that there are 23 deaths under the name of Walter Nicol between 1800 an 1854 on Scotlands People - that's an awful lot of credits to use up, and probably the reason why I never got any further!
Thanks for the info about Paisley Library and the newspapers tootsiepie - I'll try and get there - if I'm allowed! 8)
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Hi Goldie,
I am just getting back into family research, having been away from it for a good few years and have just done some basic Google searches to see what I may have missed in that time. I came across this message board and think we may well be related, through the Cochran’s of Paisley, Darvel and Strathaven.
I was born in Paisley, where my father, grandfather, great and gg grandfathers were born, the family coming to Paisley from Darvel in, as I recall the early 1830s. The basic family line is as follows:
Alexander Cochran
John Cochran 1731-
Alexander Cochran 1751 – 1804 (m. 1744) Mary Smith
Michael Cochran 1775 - ? (m. 1795) Agnes Mair and later Isobel Jamieson
Michael Cochran 1804 – 1874 (m. 1825) Margaret Young (Moved to Paisley)
James Cochran c1842 – 1928 (m. 1863) Jane Hart
Michael Cochran 1869 – 1940 (m. 1893) Isabella Cunningham
William Cochran 1899 – 1965 (my Grandfather)
The above is taken from some rough notes that I have dug out, but should be fairly accurate. Does this tally with your research? If so I am more than happy to exchange notes, once I’ve got myself straight again.
Have you been on your trip to Paisley and Ayrshire yet? If not I may to able to point out a few locations you may be interested in.
Regards
Alan
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Greetings cousin!
We are indeed descended from the same Cochrans.
Our common ancestor is Michael Cochran 1804 who moved to Paisley, as you say, about 1830.
My gggrandfather is then another Michael c1827 - brother to your James c1842 - I can't find Michael's birth either - I wonder why they were not christened? or at least we can't find them. There were about a dozen children to Michael and Margaret Young.
Michael born 1775, married to Agnes Mair and Isolbel Jamieson, died 5 Oct 1850 at Darvel Loudoun.
It's interesting you have Alexander's (born 1751 at Avondale) father as John Cochran. I have found this birth on the Avondale register - do you have any other evidence or information to definitivly say this is the right Alexander Cochran? I see there are others within range that it could possibly be.
I have lots of info about the Cochrans. I don't know what you have already found out - let me know if there is anything you want. I can send you my email on a PM (Private Message), but I thiink you have to have made 3 posts before you can do that. Just keep writing back to me!
I made my 'pilgrimage' to Paisley about a month ago - it would have been great to meet up with you. We had a fantastic time - retracing our ancestors footsteps and finding some of the places they had lived (quite a few demolished now of course). I spent a happy couple of afternoons in the Local Studies Library - could have spent MUCH longer there!
We also met up with another branch of the family who still live in Darvel which was very interesting. He also has a ,lot of info about the Cochran's around there.
I'm off on the big silver bird this afternoon, but hope to hear from you when I get back to NZ.
Cheers 8)
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Hi Goldie,
Hope you had a good flight home. Did you get to see and do everything you had intended?
I did in fact find christening details for James, 22nd May 1842 (Oakshaw East Associate Congregation, Paisley). I found this on the LDS Family Search site, along with six other’s from 1834 to 1847, all born in Paisley. (I have yet to find them on ScotlandsPeople.....odd!). No sign of births prior to 1834 inc. your Michael C1827, who I assume was born in Loudoun/Darvel.
Alexander Cochran (1751) married a Mary Smith in Avondale/Strathaven. As to him being the right Alexander, I will need to have a bit of a dig! I’ll let you know.
Once I’ve got my third post in I’ll pm my email.
Alan.
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Hi Goldie,
I came across the following while looking into the Darvel Cochran’s:
Pte James Alexander Cochrane 2973
Died 12th Oct. 1917
Husband of Janet Cochrane of Ladbrooks, Christchurch.
Native of Darvel, Ayrshire, Scotland.
Any relation?
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hi alan
how interesting the cochrans in christchurch. must look into it.
just back in nz.
sorry about lack of capitals - have no keyboard - didn't like the spilt coffee i spilt over it. am having to do this using the desktop keyboard which is very tedious.
look forward to corresponding
;)
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Hi Alan
Hooray! A new keyboard.
Do you want to send me another message? I tried to send you a PM today to send you my email, but it wouldn't recognise you as a member. Maybe you need another post. Or you could try and send me a PM.
I don't know much about Michael's son James - your ancestor. Obviously not one of the ones that emigrated off to 'the younited States in Amaricha' as Michael writes in his log, about his daughter Janet and her husband Dugald Yuill in August 1867. Sorry, can't find any mention of James. I can send you photos of the diary though if you like.
Happy hunting! 8)
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Hi Goldie,
Hopefully message #4 will sortout the PM problem, I'll try and pm you as soon as I've posted this.
Any photo's from the diary would be great.
Alan
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Hi Alan
Your PM received ok.
Will send email later and look out Michael's diary.
8)
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Hello TootsiePie
I am doing the family tree for a friend and she has three COCHRAN lines all from around Paiisley/Renfrewshire.
Any help that you could offer would be most apprecitaed.
I have attached a small chart with the lines that pertain to her.