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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: emmsthheight on Thursday 17 June 10 15:46 BST (UK)
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Hi All :)
I hope I've got this in the right place. I'm getting really confused with places in Ireland!
I'm hoping - great excitement! - that I've finally got a good lead to a more precise location for where my Hoey family from Ireland came from.
My gggrandfather, John Hoey saddler was born in Dublin 1827 approx, father Patrick, a farmer. However, I believe the family came from Louth. My ggrandmother, his daughter was Anastasia Hoey.
With a big hint from a Rootschatter, and the arrival of the 1901 census, I've found an Anastasia (Indexed Austasia), of an age (68), to be a sibling or cousin in the above Convent. She was also one of the few giving a more precise birthplace, Beldoyle. It says inmate, so I think she's elderly being cared for.
With great excitement I thought I'd get on the net and find some nice pictures/ history and details of both places, but it wasn't that easy.
I also hoped I'd find more Hoeys born in the same place.
Can any one help?
It didn't seem clear whether there were two names Beldoyle and Baldoyle or whether one has developed into the other, and also I seem to be getting results for different areas of Ireland. I thought it would be near Dublin.
Most of the results I got for this and Drumcondra were houses for sale.
Can anyone help, by either telling me more about Beldoyle or the convent, or what kind of place they were, and where there are pictures, or tell me what sites to look on please?
Thank you for reading!
Bestr wishes
Emms :) :)
High Park Convent, Goose Green, Drumcondra
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Baldoyle would have been a rural area to the north east of the city in the 1820s - see the 1st edition (1820s/40s) OSI map at Baldoyle (http://ims0.osiemaps.ie/website/publicviewer/main.aspx#V1,723358,740732,5) (click on historic or historic bw to see the older details)
The village of Drumcondra is to the north of the city and further west than Baldoyle - see Drumcondra (http://ims0.osiemaps.ie/website/publicviewer/main.aspx#V1,716099,736760,6) the Convent may be marked on the map...
Shane
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This appears to be the location of the Convent (on the OSI maps) in the townland of Goosegreen : Highpark (http://ims0.osiemaps.ie/website/publicviewer/main.aspx#V1,716928,737867,6)
I have some details online from Thom's of 1848 on the towns of Baldoyle and Drumcondra at : County Dublin towns, 1848 (http://roots.swilson.info/towns1848/codublin1848.html)
Shane
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Anastastia Hoey is listed as laundress at the convent along with many of the other inmates. Further down the page occupations are listed as 'religious' which would be the nuns. Rather than an elderly person being cared for in the convent it sounds as though she's working in the laundry.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Drumcondra/Goosegreen__High_Park_Convent/1271979/
Googling various phrases brings up lots of information on the convent.
http://www.magdalenelaundries.com/name.htm
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I'm not sure that she could be your gtgrandmother though.... she seems to be 68 and unmarried..
sorry misread your post - I see now that you think it could be a relation to your ancestor Anastasia..
Shane
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Baldoyle town and townland appear to be included in the RC parish of Howth/Baldoyle. Records for this parish are available in the National Library on microfilm Pos. 6618. These cover baptisms and marriages from the 1780s onward, with some gaps.
see Howth/Baldoyle RC records (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm?fuseaction=showidrecords&CityCounty=Dublin&CityCounty=Dublin&parish=Baldoyle&churchid=462) (Irish Times Genealogy Website)
Shane
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Hi all
Thank you, Thank you!
Real Rootschat service - three replies almost instantly, and another while I was answering the phone!
I'm going to have another look at the maps when I've written this, and get back. What was throwing me, though was, do I take it that Beldoyle and Baldoyle are the same place?
Yes, I think I was getting a bit gaga by the time I got to the convent, Aghadowey.
I'd actually got that entry. She's not on the 1911 as far as I can see, and she'd be very old, anyway - but not uncommon in our family.
The reason I was so interested, was that I've never seen anyone calleAnastasia Hoey apart from my ggrandmother.
Also, I have loads of repeats of other family names such as Margaret, Mary Catherine etc, but I was starting to assume it came from another line - Carroll is a possibility. When I saw this, and she was of an age with John Joseph, (Occasionally John James), I thought it was defin9tely worth following up.
I saw there were religious member as well and I thought worker, but with her age I was wondering whether it could be some sort of home or substitute work house where the work helped with their keep.
Thank you again everybody. I'll have another look at those.
Best wishes
Emms :) :) :)
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Ooh Thank you!
Townland found for me - they're hard going if you don't know the place or the sites!
I'll have a good look and get back.
Emms :) :) :)
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Well, I wanted to know what the place was like - I've definitely found out more than I ever thought.
Better for people to read than for me or anyone to explain. But amazingly sad.
The name lists are great thank you, though she isn't on one, yet! More than that, though, such a basic human right was denied these people - not only to be given a name but to continue to be known and be called by it.
To be left and be forgotten and lost to families---
It makes me more than ever want to find what happened to this lady - and all those hoards on the list.
I was going to look for a death certificate, but I suspect that would be a forlorn hope, having read this.
Intrigueingly though, she is almost the only one who has a detailed birth place, a history.
I will email them eventually, but I will try and find out more.
Please read the "Magdalene Story" on the links on the site on Aghadowey's link people - if that makes sense.
Best wishes
Emms
Thank you again.
Emms
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PS By the way, if you do have female relatives lost in Ireland, there are hoards of names on there!
Emms
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there's a possible death reference in the index, in the right area for Drumcondra and age :
Name: Anastatia Hoey
Registration District: Dublin North
Event Type: Death
Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1909
Age : 79 (est. Birth Year: 1830)
Volume : 2 / Page : 383
although death certs dont usually have much useful information... it would possibly confirm if this was the same person by comparing residence at time of death, marital status etc see : Details included on Death Certs (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433043.0.html)
Shane
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Shane
Youre a star!
Looks as if at least her death was acknowledged. I need to look at all the leads and see what I can run to.
Thannk you to the link on the parish records too.
If I could get at the baptism register that might clinch it. No chance of going at the moment. I'll have a look at the local parish etc. I guess there aren't any traanscripts, I guess? I wonder if the work going om will unearth any registers for the convent? I guess in the circumstances it's unlikely.
Thank you again everybody.
Emms
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Baptism & Marriage records for the RC parish of Baldoyle/Howth/Sutton appear to be available (with gaps) on the pay-website of the Irish Family History Foundation - see their list of sources for North County Dublin at : http://irish-roots.ie/dublin-north-fingal.asp
The records they hold are transcripts.. so there can be errors and omissions.
Shane
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I've done quite a bit of research on the Baldoyle Parish records in the NLI.
I have no connection to the Hoeys that I am aware of yet, but I have a Hugh Hoey as a sponsor on an 1847 baptism.
Not sure if someone has already made this clear but you can take Beldoyle and Baldoyle as different spellings for the same place. I can remember back in the 50's many locals pronounced it as 'Beldoyle'.
Also, the Baldoyle area is not included in the 1901 Census on the NAI website as of yet but will hopefully be posted at a later date.
Dara.
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Hi Shane and Dara
More vital information.
Thank you very much!
Noone'smactually said specifically about the spelling yet, Dara.
I was beginning to get an inkling, as on the maps - which are brilliant, thank you! - it says Bailedoyle - pronounced Bel? and also Bildoyle - I think.
Thank you Shane, I will definitely have to look at that pay site seriously.
Thank you as well, for telling me about it not being on 1901. That is crucial - one of the reasons I thought I had the wrong place, was I couldn't find it!
I will be looking every two minutes in case I miss it!
Anyway, I'lll follow up all these leads in places I know about such as English Census and Ellis Island etc, to try ad work out what happened to the family.
Best wishes
Emms
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From the index to 1901 fpr Howth, Sutton, Kilbarrack & Baldoyle, published by the GSI, there is only one Hoey family in Baldoyle. The index only lists Head of Household, relatives, boarders, visitors etc.
Henry Hoey, 97 Baldoyle Village.
There is a family listed in Howth living with a relative.
Fred age 34,
John 28,
Mmary A 9,
Patrick 12,
Stephen 11,
William 36.
A second family in Howth, HoH is Patrick, age 39.
Dara.
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Hi All
Just reading these fantastic replies again after coming in.
Dara, do you mind me asking what the surnames involved in the baptism were?
We have quite a few sponsors with Irish names for the Hoeys in Heywood England.
I'll look them out, but from memory there are certainly Carroll's and I think Morans, Donghues, or variant. Also Williams.
I'll look the rest up.
Thank you again. :)
Emms
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Hi Dara.
Brilliant, thank you! You're posting faster than I am!
Can I show my ignorance, or am I being slow as well? What is GSI please?
Fred and Patrick would have to becousins at closest for my Anastasia.
Have I got this right though? Is Henry actually 97 years old, or is that a reference? We have plenty of longevity, but he would be the record!
Thank you again.
Emms
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Sorry if I misled you. 97 is the address reference or site number in Baldoyle Village.
I can give you full reference details if you want to order a copy of the census returns from NAI at 2.54 Euro each.
GSI = Genealogical Society of Ireland, a voluntary organisation based in Dun Laoghaire, Co. Dublin. Website: http://www.gensocireland.org
http://www.familyhistory.ie/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=70
Parents on the baptism were Stafford and McLoughlen and the other sponsor was Sharkey.
Dara.
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Hi Dara
Thank you again for the generous help.
Sorry, though, I think there's a problem with that link. I thought at first it was just a site carrying a lot of adverts to finance the work, but it went on to offering to transfer money and allsorts, so I cut it fast.
I'll try googling it in the morning.
I'll have a look aty the rest of the stuff.
Thank you again. :)
Emms
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Sorry about that. I've changed the link. The original address is from their publication. I guess they changed their server since the book was published.
The new link seems to work fine. It's not necessary to register to browse their collection. Just click on the menu at left of screen.
Dara.
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Hi Dara
Thank you :) :) :)
I'd decided to give up on it, thinking the web site have died.
Thank you again for sorting it.
Best wishes
Emms
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Guys,
I just lastnight happed to be looking at a book with old pictures (Dublin pictures 1870's to 1940) that my parents gave me... and one picture was from High Park Convent, Drumcondra... inside it with people. The thing was it said "Aslyum" High Park Covent, Drumcondra (as far as I can remember). So I am not sure if this is the same place.
Let me bring this into work tomorrow and scan it in for you (hopefully I remember it)
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Ooh
Thank you!
I still have the investigation to do, but photo's are always the icing on the cake!
Thank you very much!
Looking at the site there seems to be all sorts went on there, so it sounds as if it is very likely to be the same place.
Thank you again.
Emms
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Dara
Thank you again for your list.
Those people arte actually on 1911 which is online. So I can get the details from there. Still need to put together all the bits I've got.
Best wishes and thank you!
Emms
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Guys,
I just lastnight happed to be looking at a book with old pictures (Dublin pictures 1870's to 1940) that my parents gave me... and one picture was from High Park Convent, Drumcondra... inside it with people. The thing was it said "Aslyum" High Park Covent, Drumcondra (as far as I can remember). So I am not sure if this is the same place.
Let me bring this into work tomorrow and scan it in for you (hopefully I remember it)
It would seem this is St. Mary's Magdalen Asylum, High Park, Drumcondra, Dublin 9
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It was a Laundry and has long closed and been knocked down and how their is a block of apartments where the Magdalen women used to work. They were buried over in a field near by and in 1993 were exhumed, cremated and then put in a mass grave up in Glasnevin Cemetary.
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Hi Duckfeet
Thank you for the extra information.
I will send for the death certificate I was told about for Anastasia Hoey eventually, but there are a few in the queue!
Best wishes
Emms
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/09pw/
There is a woman in here call Hoey. It looks like Anastasia but spelt incorrectly
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Hi
Thank you very much.
This is the entry we were looking at for the laundry.
I tried to see what was happening in 1901 in Beldoyle but it's not on yet.
Thank you again.
Emms
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i am looking for a john mahon who in 1845 to 1852 has children born in goose green and high park.he is a witness to Michael mooney stealing potatoes in 1842 from the property of isaacc warren of high park. does anyone know what was in this area at the time or as it just the sanatorium.
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Hi
Don't know if it will help, but High Park, Drumcondra, was home to Isaac Warren (who died there in Jan 1846) and his wife Christina Mary. Isaac Warren was a merchant, at Eustace Street, Dublin.
Cheers
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Hi
Another snippet:-
In DUBLIN CITY DIRECTORY 1850
Isaac Warren is listed as a China Merchant at 14 Eustace Street but can't think there would be too many potatoes there.
Wonder if the potatoes were growing at High Park?
Cheers
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Thanks so much for your reply.Im just trying to work out what was there.Was it just All hallows ?? or were there other farms and tenants.just cant find anything on it at all.
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Does anyone have any information on John Mahon who was a Gardener and who lived in goose green around 1838ish he also later worked for Isaac Coates?