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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Monaghan => Topic started by: Kiwitaylor on Thursday 17 June 10 10:56 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find details of my Grandfathers family from Co. Monaghan. Spelt KEOGHAN on marriage certs but may have variations (McKeoghan, Keogan etc). Father Daniel KEOGHAN but unsure of his wife's name (Mary ??) - children Owen b.1834, John b.1835, Francis b.1837, Patrick b.1838, Joseph b.?? These children listed moved to New Zealand, on death certs in NZ some spelt McKeoghan. I do not have any birth certs, only marriage certs for 4 of them . In 1858 at Durham UK, Francis Keoghan m. Mary Doran from Co. Armagh (F. Edward M. Catherine Fife), they had my Gfather on the ship to NZ.
Also any info on Mary Doran would be good too. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Kiwitaylor
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Hi
Not sure if any relation or help to you but my gt grandma came form Monaghan Margret Keogan b 1866, her parents were Joesph 11831, Jane 1841 they had Joesph 1868, Patrick 1876, Ellen 1888 she was born in Tow Law Co Durham as the family had moved there, not sure if any connection
Lawrence
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Hi Lawrence
Thanks for the reply. All I have is Co. Monaghan as place of birth so I am unsure of any details, the spelling on marriage certs Keoghan in UK but Kogan on shipping list, then McKeoghan on death cert in NZ.
I will keep your details for future ref in case there is a connection.
Thelma
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Hi Bonnie Guilford (nee Parker). Mum Catherine Curran. (Uncle Jerry's sister if this makes sense).
I am in York on holiday and will go to Durham most probably Tuesday. Looking for family history. All I have is Mary Doran married Francis Coogan / Keoghan 13/9/1858. don't know what church or where to go in durham to look up records. Any ideas?
Mary born 1841. (where or date details? also don't have any info on great grand dad).
Any ideas of where to go and what to look for would be brilliant.
Bonnie
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I seem to recall contributing some information about this family on a Durham site a few years ago. They lived Crook and Tow Law before branching out . John Kogan son of Joseph and Catherine of Monaghan married Elizabeth Tatham at Bishop Auckland in 1852.
Several of their children married at Tow Law they were Catholics and the church registers are at the Durham County Record Office.
Good Luck,
J.T.A.
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Hi Bonnie
Yes I have you coming down from Edward Patrick & Lily Maud - so you are in MY family. :D
I have Mary DORAN and Francis KEOGHAN (with that spelling) at St Cuthberts Church, Broom, Durham (GRO Durham 10a 328)
I have Mary DORAN born County Armagh, Ireland. Father Edward DORAN b. 1828? d. 1881 @ Conset, Durham UK. Mother Catherine FIFE.
Children of Francis & Mary - James Charles b 19.12.1859 @ Blackhill, Durham UK, Owen b 13.11.1861 @ English Channel (see below) Mary b 1864 Howick NZ, Francis b 1867 Cambridge NZ, Edward Patrick b 10.10.1869 Thames.
When they came on the Ravens Craig to NZ the spelling on the passenger list was KOGAN, likewise on the birth of Owen on the ship records.
Overseas registratistration event: Birth
Name: KOGAN, Owen
Vessel: At Sea
Country: At sea
Year: 1861
No: 38
Record source: GRO Marine Births Indices (Informal Certs 1-41)
Sorry but the reference of Tow Law is not familiar with me, or any posts a few years back.
Please if you are able to get any printouts for any of OUR relations while you are over there, can you scan a copy my way via PM. Owen is MY Grandfather.
Thelma
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I seem to recall contributing some information about this family on a Durham site a few years ago. They lived Crook and Tow Law before branching out . John Kogan son of Joseph and Catherine of Monaghan married Elizabeth Tatham at Bishop Auckland in 1852.
Several of their children married at Tow Law they were Catholics and the church registers are at the Durham County Record Office.
This reference is bit before my time of researching - is it possible for you to link me to this discussion please JT. I would like to look into this a bit further. ??? :-\
Regards
Thelma
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I have unsuccessfully searched for the thread but I don't remember what board it was on. Apart from the 1852 marriage I do have some notes on the Keogans of Tow Law which was the same family who moved from Crook. I also have the record of Francis Keogan's marriage to Mary Doran in 1858 at Brooms when they were living at Berry Edge, Consett but I don't see a connection between the two families other than I know the Tow Law family were from Monaghan and you say the Consett family were also from Monaghan where the name was uncommon so they could well have been a connection.
I note you have Edward Doran father of Mary born 1828? which can't be correct when Mary was married 1858. In 1861 there was an Edward Doran aged 60 at Consett who looks more like her father.
J.T.A,
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I note you have Edward Doran father of Mary born 1828? which can't be correct when Mary was married 1858. In 1861 there was an Edward Doran aged 60 at Consett who looks more like her father.
Yes I think you are right - I have not double checked this line of DORAN's yet, only what I was given so I think Edward would not have been 14 year when Mary was born. I also have his brother Thomas DORAN as died in Blackhill, UK but again I have not verified it.
It was 11:30pm when I got to read this and it turned on a few lights here - all of my family have had Grandfathers family as a brick wall for some time.
Thank you but I have managed to find that link and likewise I am unable to find the connection with Keogan/Keoghan. We have a Daniel as father to the sons mentioned 1834 - 1840?
Really hope Bonnie has some luck in Durham on certificates. :)
Thank you
Thelma
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Hi everyone,
thanks so very much for info. Will try to find some more out while in Durham.
Thelma so much of what you had said connects. My grandfather was adopted. My mother spent a lot of her younger years in Thames and went to the local school. When her mother died grand dad put all the children in Catholic Orphanages. He remarried and had another 7 children. Mum was at the Star of the Sea in Howick. My mum Catherine May Parker (nee Curran) is the last of her immediate sibblings (has step brothers and sisters). Mum is 91 and very with it. Lives on the Gold Coast at Villa De Paul. She will be so very very happy to see these links.
Here's hoping I find some info at Durham Bonnie (Bonita Anne Guilford nee Parker).
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Hi Bonnie
I tried to PM you again but your inbox is full :(
How detailed is your family tree, I have one that takes in all of Francis & his brothers children and a few generations after. I think it must have all of Francis & Mary (DORAN) descendants OUR line, even has you. I have nothing beyond Daniel having the 4 sons so fingers crossed you have luck while you are over there. Unfortunatley I have not verified it all but willing to share it either before or after checking it all.
PM me with your details and where you live.
Good luck on Tuesday ;)
Thelma
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New members usually need 3 posts to use PM system so once bonita makes 1 more post you should be able to PM each other to exchange email addresses and recent family details which you aren't allowed to post on the boards.
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Thank you aghadowey.
That was why I was trying to PM Bonnie, I couldnt remember how many posts were needed. Thank you for clarifying the number of posts.
It is very easy to get lost with the excitement, especially when you feel you may have a breakthrough after so many family members have been frustrated with brick walls.
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Bonnie as I cannot PM you yet, here are the certificate details I have but I nave NOT got any certificates yet.
Francis & Mary (Doran) marriage (Doran Mary Durham 10a 328 Sept 1858) it has Thomas Keoghan on the transcribed entry but the original is definietly Francis, spelling is KEOGHAN
also the births of the first two kids - James Charles KOGAN/KEEGAN 19.12.1859 Blackhill, Durham and Owen KOGAN 13.11.1861 as sea records, Vessel Ravenscraig Year 1861 No 38.
If you can get Owen's birth certificate I am willing to repay you, I dont have my Grandfathers.
Thank you very much
Thelma
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To save some bother I have the church marriage entry, I thought you must have had the certificate from what you were saying.
They married at Brooms, a church now in the middle of nowhere near Leadgate.
30th September 1858 (In Latin which I have changed to English)
Francis Keoghan of Berry Edge son of Daniel Keoghan
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Mary Doran of Blackhill daughter of Edward Doran
witnessed by: Michael Marrin of Berry Edge and Margaret Carolan of Berry Edge.
Berry Edge was the old name for Consett which in 1858 was within the newly founded Catholic parish of St Mary's, Black Hill which was yet to to have a licence to perform marriages so that is why they would have had to go to Brooms, however the baptism of the child will be at St Mary's, Black Hill and those registers are at the Durham County Record Office too, but you normally need an appointment in advance to book a micro film reader.
Good luck,
J.T.A.
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JT, I have sent you a PM about the church entry.
Personally I have no certificates but family members in NZ have but have not shared any copies even when offered to pay costs >:( That is why it would be good if Bonnie can get some for me too.
You are a gem of knowledge JT, thank you for sharing and helping others.
Thelma
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Hi guys,
this all sounds very interesting. Sunday here so cannot call Durham to see if I can make an appointment until Monday.
My mum also said someone in NZ had records but they weren't prepared to share. Crazy isn't it. I must ask mum when I get back if she knows why.
Hopefully this posting also gives to go ahead of you both to PM if you wish.
Bonnie
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My mum also said someone in NZ had records but they weren't prepared to share. Crazy isn't it. I must ask mum when I get back if she knows why.
I assure you it is not me, I only got a copy in the past few months and I WILL share. My opinion is what is the use in doing all the research if you keep it in a cupboard while other family members research the same family details. Hopefully between us we can verify the entries. ;)
Thelma
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I came across this thread while looking for something else. I've attached 2 PDFs showing burials taken from Blackhill Burial Records which may be of use. These are the only name versions shown in the registers.
PatB.
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Oh wow thank you pb3, a few names light up on the Doran side so it could be a start. The 1858 marriage didn't say either parent were deceased so it could be promising.
Apparently the family bible (I have not sighted it) from one of the ones born in Ireland, had entries back to 1850's and made reference to home being Carrickmacross Co. Monaghan Ireland.
I have written to St Joseph Catholic Church but records were not kept until after my lot were born so nothing from that avenue :(
If only I could find exactly where the kids were born or the parents marriage/death ???
Thanks for the attachments PatB
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Hi Kiwitaylor,
I see your grandfather is Owen Keoghan ... He is my Great Grand Father :)
T.Cushla Keoghan