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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: Sheepherder on Thursday 17 June 10 10:52 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find information on Alexander Dale and Sarah Anne Crossett who were married on 10 June 1853 at Magherafelt (I believe). Alexander was born on the 5 Sep 1820 at Ballymulderg and Sarah Anne was born in Killyfaddy on 21 Jul 1836.
Alexander's father was John Dale, I have no record of his mother.
Sarah Anne's parents were Samuel Crossett and Eliza McIlwaine.
Any information on these two would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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Hi,
The marriage was indeed in Magherafelt on the date which you gave. It was in Magherafelt 1st Presbyterian Church and two of their children were:-
2 Mar 1864 Female child born Pomeroy Co. Tyrone
26 Mar 1867 Sarah Matilda born Cookstown Co Tyrone.
Griffiths Valuation, 1860 for Co Tyrone, only lists one Alexander Dale in Tyrone but he is in the Parish of Clogher which issome way from Pomeroy/Cookstown. None are listed in Co. Londonderry
Regards
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Magherafelt is in Co. Londonderry so I've moved this thread from TYRONE board.
Lots of details on the family posted on various boards (although you do need to verify submitted details such as these)-
Crossett post on Ulster Ancestry (http://www.ulsterancestry.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1071&sid=aac9e1c705c02021b5ad42a6fcb9a2ba) (gives birthplace of Alexander as Cookstown, Co. Tyrone which is incorrect)
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jerrydoyle&id=I15413
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Hi,
The Griffiths valuation has a John Dale farming in Ballymulderg Beg, Co. Londonderry in 1859. The 1901 census also gives a John Dale age 84 farming there. His wife is listed as Rebecca.
Regards
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Hi aghodowey,
Thank you for moving my post to Londonderry. I used Tyrone because (as far as I know) most of the family that I am interested in moved to Cookstown from various places in Derry.
Regards,
Sheepherder
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Hi kingskerswell,
Thank you very much for the info. I will check it out with what I have. The Rebecca you refer to is Rebecca Brown, wife of John Dale. :)
Regards,
Sheepherder
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Sarah Anne Crosset's parents were Samuel Crosset and Eliza McIlwaine of Killyfaddy. Samuel Crosset was the son of Thomas, son of David.
Alexander Dale was the son of John Dale, who was baptised in 1790 in the First Magherafelt Presbyterian Church. His father was John Dale of Ballymulderg.
I do have quite a bit on the Presbyterians and Protestants of south Derry having studied the available records from the civil parishes of ARtrea and Magherafelt.
Ron Dale
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John Dale and Rebecca Brown were married at the Saltersland Presbyterian Church on February 10, 1850. John was the son of John Dale of Ballymulderg and was baptised at the Magherafelt Presbyterian Church on April 16, 1814. Rebecca was the daughter of John Brown, a farmer from Ballygurk.
John and Rebecca were still in Ballymulderg in 1901 but John died on December 15 that year. Rebecca died some time before 1911.
Ron Dale
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Hi Ron,
Thank you very much for the info on the Dales, it fills some of the many blanks in my Dale tree.
With you being a Dale are you related to this Dale family? If you are it would be interesting to know just where you fit in. My relationship is through my g-grandfather James, born 10 Dec 1859, his father Alexander, (married to Sarah Anne Crossett), baptised 5 Sep 1820, and his father John b. 1790.
In your response you stated that the lineage, going backwards, was: Alexander, John and then John. I have it as Alexander, John and then Samuel. The only info I have on Samuel is that he was born between 1750 and 1760. He had four sons: Thomas, William, John (b. 1790) and James. Are you able to shed any light on this? And do you have any info on the marriages?
Regards,
Sheepherder
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Hello "Sheepherder."
It is this elusive Samuel Dale that I am trying to track. A couple of my Aussie contacts have the same story of Alexander's grandfather being Samuel. However, I have now been through the Church records of Magherafelt C of I and Presbyterian, Woods Chapel C of I, Castledawson Presbyterian, Saltersland Presbyterian and Curran Presbyterian, the Salters Company estate records, the Marquis of Londonderry Estate Records, the 1740 religious census, the 1766 religious census, the 1831 census etc and there is no record of a Samuel Dale (or Deal) in Derry although there was one in Tyrone and one in Antrim. From what I understand, a number of years ago an Aussie Dale descendent hired a researcher to trace Dales in Ireland and this is where the name Samuel popped up as being the progenitor of this line of Dales. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that the researcher made a mistake. I would be extremely interested to learn if you have any documentation for this Samuel or if it comes from this same source--the researcher.
In the 1740 census the heads of households in that part of Derry were Thomas in Anaghmore and Thomas and James in Ballymulderg. From what I can determine, I am descended from the Ballymulderg branch. However, they are all descended from a John Dale who emigrated from Ayrshire in the late 17th century.
Are you a male Dale? Has any Dale in your branch had their DNA tested? A few of us Dale descendents have done so.
Please let me know what you can of this elusive Samuel Dale.
Ron Dale
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Hi Ron,
Sorry Ron, but I can't be of much help. There was a Dale family reunion in 2001 at Tiaro, which is between Gympie and Maryborough in Queensland. John Dale (b. 23 Jul 1854 at Ballymulderg) lived there and some of his descendants still do. That was where I found out about our mysterious Samuel Dale.
According to some at the reunion Samuel married around 1780 and had four children: Thomas, William, John and James. I really do not know if there is any information/data to support this.
I am a Dale through my grandmother - Jeannie Dale who was a daughther of James Dale (b: 10 Dec 1859 in Ballymulderg), who lived at Gympie and later moved to Brisbane.
Regards,
Sheepherder
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Thanks Sheepherder.
Were there any male Dales at this reunion? It would be great to get a DNA sample from a Dale of Alexander's line.
The supposed sons of Samuel are the Dales who can be found in that area of Derry around 1800. Thomas was the son of Joshua, John, James and William the sons of a different Thomas, James or John, etc.
The Samuel, as I mentioned before, is nowhere to be found in any of the records.
Alexander's baptism record lists his father as John who was baptised in 1790. In the baptism record for John, 1790, his father is given as John of Ballymulderg, not Samuel.
Ron
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Hi Ron,
Sorry to take so long to respond but I have been away for a few days.
As I previously mentioned I first met the "Dales" at the 2001 reunion. I was the only Dale representative from Alexander's line. The rest were either John's, Margaret's or Elizabeth's descendants.
I have not kept in touch with any of them. Sorry :-[
Regards,
Sheepherder
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Thanks "Sheepherder." Keep your eyes peeled for a male Dale willing to get the DNA done and I will keep looking for this elusive Samuel Dale.
Ron Dale
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hi Ron
hope you can help looking for my ggg grandfather James dale (deail) the only think i no about him for sure is from this sons birth certificate in 1855, James deail aged 30 agricultural labourer dungiven co of Derry.
looked it up in the 1831 census there were two deails john and James both from artrea ballymulderg beg, but i don't no if any is this family
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Who was the son baptised in 1855? The 1831 census is helpful but just includes the names of the heads of households so any married children living with parents or inlaws are not listed. It is the head of the household, not the head of a family that is listed.
Ron Dale
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Hi,
The Griffiths Valuation of 1858 shows a John Dale living in Ballymulderg and holding two houses, farm buildings and 15 Acres of land.
Regards
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This John Dale of Ballymulderg was a son of Alexander Dale and Sarah Jane Crosset.
Ron Dale
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hi Ron
the son was James dale born 1855 wishaw Scotland, his father James dale (deail)was born between 1820 & 1825 from dungiven, and marred Margaret golden in Dublin in 1845 then came to Scotland
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Marriage of James Daily & Margaret Golden 1845 Dublin-
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/3574200444121
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Unfortunately I have very little on the Dales from Dungiven, other than to to strongly suspect that they are descended from Hu Deal who settled in Antrim ca 1690. They were originally from Ayrshire.
Ron Dale
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the son was James dale born 1855 wishaw Scotland, his father James dale (deail)was born between 1820 & 1825 from dungiven, and marred Margaret golden in Dublin in 1845 then came to Scotland
Hi Ron,
I see you're going back the way in your research.
If you are interested..............James Dale & Margaret Golden had a daughter Mary b c1850 who married Patrick/Peter Cullen who was my gg grandmother's brother in Wishaw 1874 & had 7 offspring ;D
Anne Marie
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Scott,
I got your PM re Mary Dale & Patrick Cullen...........would you like any info. on the Cullen line or do you already have it?
Anne Marie.