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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Carlene63 on Thursday 17 June 10 06:57 BST (UK)
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I am researching Thomas John Cole, son of Charles and Mary maiden name unknown.
He was born sometime between 1843 and 1848. He came to Victoria Australia prior to 1867 and settled in Castlemaine, where he married had a large family and died there as well.
His marriage and death certificates give conflicting information as to exactly when and where he was born. One certificate states born London and the other Poplar. Each gives a different birth year.
I know that he had a brother who came to Castlemaine for a visit.
I am looking for help in London and Poplar district to solve this, would like baptism or birth of Thomas and details about his parents Charles and Mary.
Any help or advice would be very greatly appreciated.
CAK
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Could this be your man?
1851 census
HO 107 1499
Islington, Trinity, Finsbury
Islington West, District 20 Page 9
19 Pulteny Street
Charles Cole Head 30 Islington, Middlesex, England (Carpenter Journeyman)
Mary Ann Cole Wife 27 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Charles Cole Son 8 Islington, Middlesex, England
John Cole Son 5 Islington, Middlesex, England
Mary Cole Daughter 2 Islington, Middlesex, England
Ray
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Hi CAK,
Do you know his occupation, the occupation of his father or the name of his brother?
Nigel
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Hiya!
Could this be him/them?
Via Ancestry search
1841 Census
"Charles Cole 1820-24 London"
He's the one birthplace Middlesex residence Tottenham Middlesex
HO 107 / 654 / 21
(schedule Page 24, 46)
Tottenham, District 10
(Page 11)
Tottenham Hale
Providence Place
James Cole 70 Carpenter
Sophia Cole 60 Middlesex
(Page12)
Harriet Cole 20 Middlesex
Charles Cole 20 Middlesex (Carpenter)
Frederick Cole 3 Mo Middlesex
Ray
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Hi guys,
When Thomas married in 1867 his occupation was a butcher, and that is what he did all his life.
His father I have no idea. Father - Charles mother - Mary maiden name unknown.
Ray the info that you found with Charles being born in 1821 can you tell me what that was, a census???
I have found three possible Charles Cole and even Coles in the area.
Charles who married Mary Atkin and lived next to his in laws for several census returns.
Another one had three children baptised or living in Limehouse.
There are several Thomas Cole born in the area from that time period. The marriage which you would assume he gave the correct age was 22, means born in 1845, birth place London.
His death certificate (info given by his son) states he was born in Poplar.
So I am slightly confused. Any help I would love.
CAK
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Sorry I don't know Thomas's brother's name.
I do know that Thomas had nine children one of them was called Frederick Septimus who died young and he named another child Frederick Septimus Leopold. So maybe the Fred comes down the line.
CAK
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(I added the census =1841= to the earlier post - in case someone else reads it)
So Thomas was a butcher with 9 children. (no jokes or puns please!)
Got any dates with the names?
Who were born Eng and who Aus?
Fred Septimus sounds like his seventh child
and confusingly the eighth/ninth!?
Ray
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Thomas married 1867 Mary Jane Boyce in Castlemaine Victoria
Children George born 1869, Thomas John 1871, John Albert 1873, Charles Benjamin 1877,
Henry James 1879, William 1881, Frederick Septimus Leopold 1884 Died 1888,
Norman Oliver 1886, died 1888, Frederick Septimus Leopold 1888,
Florence May 1889 (only daughter), Norman Oliver 1891.
I just found 1851 census Poplar Union workhouse
Charles Coles aged 11, Thomas Coles aged 10 and William E aged 9. All born Poplar and paupers
(no parents).
Maybe this is my Thomas.
Cannot find the family as a whole on 1841 census.
CAK
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sorry all the children born to Thomas Cole and Mary Jane Boyce were born in Castlemaine. Victoria Australia
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FreeBMD only has two Thomas John's born in the London area between 1841 and 1851
Thomas John COLES, birth Sep qtr 1841, Clerkenwell - the TJ baptised below
Thomas John COLE, birth Jun qtr 1849, Whitechapel
St Anne Limehouse baptisms
1842 Jul 10, Thomas John, s/o Charles & Mary COLES, Poplar, Victualler, born 1841 Jun 17
1843 Jul 23, William George, s/o ditto, born 1843 Jan 17
1844 Oct 27, Henry James, s/o ditto, born 1844 Oct 14 - buried All Saints Poplar 9 Feb 1845 aged 4mths
There is a Charles COLES buried All Saints Poplar 4 Dec 1856 aged 60
Ian C
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HI Ian C,
I am sorry that I have not replied to your information sooner, but I have had several things in my life that took me away from FH.
Thank you very much for the information. I have a gut feeling that Thomas John Coles born Sept Qtr 1841 Clerkenwell and then ended up in the St Anne Limehouse with his two brothers in the correct one.
But the surname that they had here in Victoria Australia was COLE without the S so I cannot concrete this information into my FH. Even though it is probably correct.
I have been unable to find a marriage of Charles and Mary Cole/s either.
Thank you so much for this information, greatly appreciate.
If I purchase the certificates for Thomas birth in 1841 and Charles death in 1856, I would not be able to get any additional information anyway.