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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Galway => Topic started by: cfw5 on Wednesday 16 June 10 11:26 BST (UK)
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Seeking info on William Waters and wife Elizabeth. They were in Manchester by 1850.
Regards
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Unfortunately passenger lists from Ireland to England dont exist.
Have you found them on the 1851 census?
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The public info for the census returns in Lancs. is very limited. First definitive info is marriage of a daughter in 1874.
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Hi
What was that daughters name?
This will help us look for the family in the 1871 census.
Ben
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Her name was Elizabeth Waters, married Joseph Whelan 7/8/1974 in Manchester. She may have a brother named John. father was William. Mother was Elizabeth.
Thanks, Chris
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I cannot seem to find them on the 1871 census at all. Do you know how old Elizabeth was when she married?
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I think she was 17.
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I did find an Elizabeth Whelan in the 1881 census aged 23 born in Wexford, wife of Joseph. Although a father in law John Dunn was living with them so I am not sure if they are your family. Joseph Whelan was a cooper and Elizabeth was a dressmaker.
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Interesting. The "cooper" connection makes sense. I need time to think. Think I'll have to get a copy of the marriage certificate. Thanks
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The marriage definitely was Whelan to Waters, plus my father remembers his grandmothers family name. But the age is right, relative to the marriage date, and the occupation of husband is also correct. So a father in law "Dunn" may have been a passer by, or it could be the father of her mother-in-law?
Do you find the census return s somewhere other than the FreeCensus UK site?
Regards,
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No I found the census entry on Ancestry. Dunn doesn't necessarily mean the father of the bride was John Dunn he may have been another relative such as an uncle. And the only likely Joseph Whelan marriage at that time in that area is to Elizabeth Waters.
Ben
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If that is the right Elizabeth that means that her family must have emigrated to England after 1850. It is more likely they came in the 1860s or even early 1870s.
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Yes. You are correct.
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Ben, Thanks for your help. All the best. :D
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Hang on. It was John Quinn not Dunne who was with them in 1881. Aged 76 born Tipperary, Ireland.
And a Mary Waters, lodger, aged 52 born Galway, Ireland was living with them. She was a midwife.
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Could be:
Mary Waters age 52 was mother of Elizabeth Whelan (nee Waters) age 23.
And John Quinn age 76 is father of Mary Waters?
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Could well be. Maybe you were mistaken in thinking her name was Elizabeth. If so that is 3 generations under one roof.
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Hi
Here is something interesting:-
Thomas Peter Waters baptised 24th June 1864 son of William Waters and Mary Quinn at Clonmel, Tipperary, Ireland.
Ben
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Good catch. Thanks. I'll need to dig into the census records properly.
Chris
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It does look like your theories are correct and Mary Waters was formerly Quinn and John was her father.