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I am looking for the family of John Daintry, born Cheshire somewhere between 1816 to 1820, I have him in Chester Court in 1832 receiving 6 weeks and whipping and then in 1834 he was transported to Australia for 7 years.
Appreciate any help that I can get.
LesD
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Hi,
There is a marriage of a John Dainty to a Hannah Jones 16th July 1816 at St. Oswalds Chester (Family Search Pilot site) however I cannot see any baptisms for 'your' John or any children from this couple, I also cannot see them in the census to check them out!
Not much help I know but perhaps Hannah a family name...
Junev
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Hi Les,
Are you in a position to visit the Records Office in Chester to look at the trial records themselves? I have found that they sometimes reveal other charges and info which isn't on Ancestry. You may find something in the local papers too.
I notice from Ancestry that he died in Australia.
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Thanks, not possible as I live in Australia, I have tried to locate information on the trials on the web, but limited information seems to be avaiable.
LesD
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Not to worry Les,
next time I'm in the Records Office I'll see what I can find out for you. Is that your tree on Ancestry with JD in?
Shep
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Hiya Les.....there are only 3 records on this site...Cheshire records database
2 babtisms and 1 death ALL IN WYBUNBURY,CHESHIRE.....abt 20 miles from Chester
www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb/
allan :)
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Thanks Shep, I will have a look in Ancestry, trees are currently unavailable
Les
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Not to worry Les,
next time I'm in the Records Office I'll see what I can find out for you.
Les,
went to the records office today and photographed some trial records for you - watch this space!
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Well Les, good news and bad news - the bad news is not much family info but good news on trial information, so here goes.
John's first appearance in court was in the Michaelmas Quarter sessions in Nether Knutsford held on Monday the 15th October 1832. He was 13 at the time and had been committed 3 days earlier by C. Swetenham Esq. The charge was stealing a Pocket Pistol (to the value of 5 shillings aka a crown), the property of John Richardson Harlow of Sutton on the 8th October. John pleaded Not Guilty but the jury found him Guilty.
He was sentenced to 6 weeks hard labour in Knutsford House of Correction. In addition, the first and last 14 days of the sentence were in a solitary cell and he was also to be whipped at the end of the first 14 days. All this at the age of 13!
Two years later John was back in court in the adjourned Knutsford sessions held in Chester at the Easter Quarter sessions on Wednesday the 9th April 1834. Now aged 15 he had been committed on the 17th March by a T Grimsditch Esq. The charge was that he had in Macclesfield on the 7th December 1833 stolen a Box (value 2 pence or 2d), ten pieces of ribbon (value 10 shillings) and a further 20 yards of ribbon (value 5 shillings), this all being the property of Thomas Payne (also named as Richard on the Calendar for the Gaol which I think is incorrect.) Two other witnesses are named Phillip and Ellen Egerton. Again John pleaded Not Guilty but was found Guilty and sentenced to Transportation for 7 years.
From Chester, John would have then been transferred to Chatham in London where he would have embarked for the long voyage to New South Wales. He set sail on the 388 ton barque "Henry Tanner" on the 27th June 1834 arriving in NSW on the 26th Oct 1834.
I have a very good book on Knutsord Gaol which I can recommend - see Amazon or elsewhere http://www.anneloaderpublications.co.uk/index/90125327/index.htm
If you PM me with your email address, I will send you the photos I took of the court documents.
regards
Shep
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Hi Les
I may be able to assist you with the Daintry family in Australia. I have been researching this family for some time, and we are now putting together a reunion.
I am unsure of what information that you are after, but if you would like to get back to me we can work something out.
Regards
Daree
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Hi Shep
Thanks for your help. Yes I do have that information, though I am still trying to find out who John's family was ie parents, etc. There is no information at this end, and there seems little available from your end too. He was born 1819, and I feel that his mother was Elizabeth, with possibly Samuel as his father. If you can find out anything about his family it would be most appreciated.
Thanks
Daree
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Do you have the following marriage info from the North and East Cheshire Marriage Index:
DAINTRY Ann Sp. Sutton FOX Edw. Vigor Esq. P. Mcr. 8 Aug 1820 Prestbury L
DAINTRY Betty HAYWOOD Wm. Yeo 16 Mar 1810 Prestbury L Both Bollington
DAINTRY John Smith Mau? RYLE Elizabeth Mau? 6 Jan 1791 Prestbury L
DAINTRY John, Esq of Prestbury, Cheshire. HEXT Eliz sp, consent of father, John HEXT. 5 Sep 1821 Landovery, CON L
DAINTRY Maria Widow; of Macclesfield TAYLOR John Overlooker; of Macclesfield 6 Feb 1837 Prestbury
DAINTRY Mary Sutton HULBERT George Redmond of Royal Navy Esq. P 27 May 1812 Prestbury L
DAINTRY Mary (wdw) POTT Robert (wdr/crofter) 11 Jan 1820 Stockport
DAINTRY Michael Leek Sts SMITH Ann 20 Oct 1755 Over Peover L
DAINTRY Michael merchant, of Leek, Staffs, NICHOLSON Margaret M 30 Sep 1779 Prestbury L
DAINTY Elizabeth BRADBURY Isaac 20 Nov 1814 Grappenhall
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Hi Shep
No I did not have that information. I will do a little more research to see if any of it would be relevant to the John Daintry that I have. There is so little to go on, that it is a little like a needle in a haystack.
Thanks for everything that you have done.
Daree
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Just spotted some more info on John Daintry here:
http://www.jenwilletts.com/searchaction.php?page=1&ship=henry tanner 1834&firstname=
#82278 Daintree (Daintry) John
Henry Tanner 1834
1837 Port Stephens GRC Aged 18.
Tried Cheshire.
Assigned to A.A. Co (Australian Agricultural Company)
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From Chester, John would have then been transferred to Chatham in London where he would have embarked for the long voyage to New South Wales. He set sail on the 388 ton barque "Henry Tanner" on the 27th June 1834 arriving in NSW on the 26th Oct 1834.
The UK Prison Hulk Registers and Letter Books 1802 -1949 have just been released on Ancestry.
They give more information on John Daintry prior to his transportation to NSW.
Prisoner no. 2087 aged 15 was a John Daintry who was convicted for stealing ribbons in Chester on the 7th (sic) April 1834. He was received onto the prison hulk Euryalus moored off Chatham on the 24th April 1834 (with another 5 prisoners from the Chester sessions) until boarding the "Henry Tanner" on the 21st June 1834.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Euryalus_(1803)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_prison_hulk
"And many of these children would end up being transported to New South Wales or a boys penal colony in Point Pure on Van Diemen's Land, which became Tasmania..... and children, as I say, were classed as being anyone under the age of 16. But very few child convicts were under the age of ten."
source: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/podcasts/transportation-australia.htm
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Hi Daree,
Would John Daintry's parents be mentioned on any BMD certificates associated with him?
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I'd urge you to check out the newly expanded Australian Convict Collection on Ancestry - 6 entries in different registers for JD. Trouble is you need a Worldwide subscription for some of the collections.
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Hi Shep
Yes the information that ancestry has released is very helpful indeed. Unfortuntately, as with most arrests and transporting of convicts to Australia, the details of where these people came from and their family connections are non-existant. I now have a number of convicts in my tree, and the tracking of their beginnings are difficult. I have a copy of John Daintry's death certificate, and unlike his wife, had obviously not told anyone who his parents were, so his birth family remains a mystery for now.
Thank you so much for your interest in this person. You have been very helpful indeed.
Regards
Daree
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Ancestry Australia has free access to convict records over the weekend. http://www.ancestry.com.au/