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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Flintshire => Topic started by: Hughes17 on Monday 14 June 10 16:35 BST (UK)
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One of my ancestor was a certain George Sennar born in 1780. According to a marriage record I have seen he was from Ysceifiog and the son of Joseph and Jane Sennar.
I would like to establish, whether or not, he was born in the parish o'r was he living in the parish at the time of his marriage in 1803 at Betws Gwerfyl Goch. Unfortunately he had passed away in January 1841, therefore doesn't appear on any census records.
Are there any other Sennars in the area?
Any information would be much appreciated.
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I've checked my Ysceifiog records for the baptism and can see no Sennar's there i'm affraid and I have also checked my Nannerch, Whitford and Holywell with no success either.
Sarah
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Thank you Sarah
These Sennars are a bit of a mystery. I don't suppose you have records relating to burials in the area for this period.
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I do up until 1812, I'm pretty sure I had a flick through the index in all the different volumes between 1750 - 1812 and didn't spot the surname. Unfortunately pre 1750 ish the names are indexed by first name and not surname so couldn't look for the surname. If you have a specific period, event and name I can easily re check for you.
Have you tried just putting the surname into a census search to get an idea from where most of them come from? It certainly isn't a surname I've come across before - and unusual names are supposed to be easy!!!
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I'm just trying a different approach - looking for any records relating to the burial of Joseph and Jane Sennar. Hoping that it would give me some confirmation that George was born in Ysceifiog. It's quite possible that the died after 1812 or they had moved on elsewhere.
George settled in Pentir Nr Bangor (Caernarvonshire) but his origins is a bit of a mystery. I'm convinced that the name Sennar has evolved from Senner which is more commonly found.
I have typed in the name Sennar in on Ancestry and every Sennar leads back to George Sennar.
Thanks again for your interest and time.
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Hi
Although you may think unusual names would be easier to find than the more common ones, they are also more likely to have been mistranscribed.
Try Names from Clwyd at this link :)
http://www.namesfromclwyd.org.uk/
The index is excellent for the more unusual surname and its alternative spellings.
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I have just come across your post and wondered if you could help me. I am trying to trace Margaret Sennar born 1792 who I think could be a sister to George. Margaret married William Williams.
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I have just come across your post and wondered if you could help me. I am trying to trace Margaret Sennar born 1792 who I think could be a sister to George. Margaret married William Williams.
This is very interesting. I have no knowledge about George's sibblings. However, George did have a daughter named Margaret born 1810, who also married a certain William Williams in 1827.
What information do you have about your Margaret? Where did she live? Does she appear on any of the census? Did she have any children named George or Joseph?
Sorry - I seem to have more questions than answers for you!!
Dylan
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I can see a sort of anomaly re Margaret Sennar in the 1841 census but not one that is obviously resolved by (another?) Margaret Sennar born 1792.
The census has Margaret Sennar(born 1811-see below),yet she is supposed to have married William Williams in 1827.The possible explanation is that William has died and she has reverted to her maiden name.There are two Williams' in the same household but I can only attribute George to William Williams and Margaret in 1828(together with John in 1830).There is possibly some name reversion/revision later as the George Sennar details in 1851 look very like George Williams in 1841.
For completeness here is my construction of the Sennar family based almost entirely on FamilySearch data.(You probably have this but I can't access Ancestry trees to see if it is there.Family Search pedigree only seems to link four of the births)
Parents:George Sennar and Jane Wynne
Jane is given as born Llangwm in the most readable original census(1851) which would fit with the Bettws Gwerfil Goch marriage(1803)
Children
John-1803 Bettws- marries Ann Thomas 1827
Margaret-1805 Bangor-marries William Williams 1827
Anne-1808 Bangor-marries Robert Williams 1836
William-1811 Bangor-marries Mary Roberts 1852
Joseph-1813 Bangor- marries Mary Thomas 1846
Mary-185 Bangor- marries Thomas Hughes 1834
Elizabeth-1818 Bangor- marries John Roberts or John Jones 1839
Robert-1821 Bangor-marries Mary Ann (?) circa 1867(Durham area)
Regards
Roger
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Hi there, I haven't had time to check the census records but the Margaret I am trying to trace was born in 1792. I have had great problems with this line of my family . My great grandmother was Emily Williams born Caernarvon 1870 to John Williams born Bangor 1830 and Anne Roberts . I have Emily's birth certificate but the address where she was born does not appear to be her family home as the family appear on c1861 and c1871 at Hafoty Wen a farm near Llandwrog where all her siblings appear to have been born. On c1871 at the address where she was born is a Margaret Williams(mother in law) born Clynnog 1792 who I am guessing to be her grandmother. I think would be quite common in those days for women from outlying areas to move into the town to give birth particularly at the end of December. I recently tried to trace John's birth in Bangor and found the baptism of John to William Williams and Margaret Sennar. If this is the correct birth then William and Margaret move back to Clynnog as his sister Margaret was born there in 1833 but I may be on a completely wrong track.
Regards
Anne
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Thank you both for your responses:-
Despair - You've thrown up some useful information here for me
a) I'd lost Elizabeth following her marriage to John Roberts - I will now look for her as Elizabeth 'Jones'
b) Can you actually find a record of Marriage between Robert Sennar and Mary Ann Hogarth?
Anjay - I fear you have gone down the wrong track
John Williams born in Bangor 1830 and batised at Ebenezer chapel was the son of William Williams and Margaret Williams (nee Sennar) born 1810. Margaret was born i Pentir/Bangor. She cannot be the grandmother born in 1792 in Clynnog Fawr.
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No luck so far with the marriage.Is the name based on a maiden name from a birth certificate or" the most likely Mary resident in Ainstable in 1841 whose name looks like one of the middle names of one of their children"?
Looking at Robert's occupation description in the later censuses,did he spend time in the USA and could he have married there?
Regards
Roger
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References I can find to Robert Sennar's USA connection range in date from 1853(a commission for the Welsh Presbyterian Chapel Philadelphia Jan.1st 1853) to 1863("residing in Wales"),so perhaps the marriage is not there.
Regards
Roger
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Yes he was still in the USA in 1856, I've read somewhere he obtained his medical qualifications at Penn university. However, he was back in Wales in 1861 as a mininster. He was unmarried in 1861. Apparently he worked in a workhouse in Liverpool as a Doctor- I presume this was sometime between 1861 and 1871
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I can find a newspaper reference for Oct 1864 that gives him leaving Bangor
"....for the metropolis..." (Liverpool or London I wonder?)which might narrow it down a little,and I think part of his occupation description is ".....registered Middlesex..",but this may not indicate residence of course.
Did the Hogarth reference come from a certificate?
Regards
Roger
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I believe I was given this information from a direct decendant who had the relevant birth certificate for the youngest daughter.