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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: suemoo2 on Monday 14 June 10 14:45 BST (UK)
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G'day,
I'm from the land downunder and I'm looking for 'any' information on Charles MILSON/MILSOM born c1800 in Berkshire.
He was one of the Berkshire Machine Breakers in 1830.
His trial was in Reading on 27 December 1830 and was sentenced to transportation to Australia for 14 years.
Sailed from Portsmouth aboard convict vessel "Eleanor" on 19 February 1831 - arrived Sydney on 25 June 1831.
In 1837 Charles married Anne ('Annie') Marie Lyons - surname recorded as 'MILLSON'.
The Berkshire Machine Breakers were not criminals.
I would like to know if Charles had/has any family/descendants in the UK.
Regards,
Sue Milson.
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Hi,
Here's a possibility:
Charles Milson christening 12th October 1800, Stanford-Dingley, Berkshire, England
Parents; Charles Milson & Elizabeth
from http://pilot.familysearch.org
Nanny Jan
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Hi Nanny Jan,
Thanks for that. It may well be one in the same.
Charles 'was' married before he was chooffed off to Australia. After he arrived here there was a son named Richard that came here in 1857.
Charles was a very literate man and had kept in contact with 'family' back in the UK.
I have no idea who Charles was married to in the UK or how many children they had. I also have no details of where he would have been living at the time of his arrest.
Thank you once again.
Regards,
Sue.
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Hi Sue,
That site that Nanny Jan gave you is very informative. I've just entered Charles Milson into the search
area giving date range of 1780 - 1835 and you get a lot of Charles' children & marriages. If you put your cursor over the name in the left column a popup appears with additional info.
That being so, I think I found Charles Milson's marriage in Bradfield, the parents of Charles Milson/m;
"Charles Milsom, of Stanford Dingley, & Elizabeth Lamb, Lic. 25 July 1793"
Hope this helps.
Alan
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Hi again,
Gee, Thanks everyone. I had no idea that site existed and I think I found the same 'Charles' as mentioned above.
Wonderful what info can be found for free.
I would like to be able to find some of the Milson clan that are descendants, who still live in the UK. What a find that would be!
Thank you for all your help.
Regards,
Sue.
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The Berkshire Machine Breakers were not criminals.
Not sure I would have had that view if I was one of the farmers confronted by Charles and his mates, coerced into passing over cash and then have to listen to them smashing my property.
Jill Chambers' book Berkshire Machine Breakers has quite a lot on Charles Milson. He seems to have been one of the leaders of a group who tanked up on beer at the Compasses on Burnt Hill Common; after seven hours in the pub they then went on a machine smashing spree round Basildon.
He was sentenced to two terms of 7 years for two convictions of machine breaking, to run consecutively. He was assigned to a colonist who was a bit peeved when the authorities released the machine breakers - he lost a good carpenter and demanded a suitable replacement.
Charles had two children before he was transported, Martha (b 29 Oct 1829, c 18 May 1828, Basildon) and Richard (b 20 Jun 1829, c 28 Feb 1830, Ashampstead). So it's quite possible that there are descendents around in the UK.
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Hello Newburychap,
Well, they weren't 'hardend' criminals...I think they were fighting for their jobs survival, and in times when things were already bad enough. I'm not sure I would like to have lived in those days.
Though, it does sound a bit like today, when we have robots taking the jobs of men!
And, a Book to get now. Thanks for the informatiion on that. I will search for a copy.
I have been able to get a copy of the book "The Convicts of The Eleanor" which is informative.
And, I understand why they sent him to Australia...."tanked up on beer, and after seven hours in the pub...." lol
This is more than I expected...all this information. Thank you one and all.
Regards,
Sue.
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Jill Chambers' series of books on the machine breakers are the most comprehensive works on the people involved - she has published them county by county (Berkshire, Hampshire, Buckinghamshire, Gloucestershire, Wiltshire (2 vols), Dorset, Essex, and perhaps more). She includes a fair bit of family history - more for some than for others (inevitably) but anyone with an ancestor involved should check them out.
The Berkshire volume will be available via Berks FHS.
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Hi Sue
I see you havent been online here for some time! I have been doing my family history and my Dad's mum was a Millson from Bradfield. Charles Millson was her grandfather's uncle. I have been looking into Charles Millson and his family.
Please contact me!
Leisa
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Hi Leisa,
Do you think we could have a family match? Do you know if your 'Charles' was one of the Berkshire Machine Breakers?
Think it would be outstanding if this all matches up with you.
Regards,
Sue.
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Hi Sue.
Yep he was one of the machine breakers. How are you connected?
Leisa
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G'day Leisa,
Charles Milson had 3 children in Australia. The youngest - a son, married twice. From his first marriage there were 3 sons and from his second marriage he had a further 4 children. The eldest son from his second marriage is my husbands Grandfather.
Charles Milson who was transported to Australia is my husbands Great Great Grandfather.
How can I send you my email address without putting it up on here for public display? :-\
How are you connected to Charles?
I have information that I could send to you if you would like.
Regards,
Sue.
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G'day Leisa,
Charles Milson had 3 children in Australia. The youngest - a son, married twice. From his first marriage there were 3 sons and from his second marriage he had a further 4 children. The eldest son from his second marriage is my husbands Grandfather.
Charles Milson who was transported to Australia is my husbands Great Great Grandfather.
How can I send you my email address without putting it up on here for public display? :-\
How are you connected to Charles?
I have information that I could send to you if you would like.
Regards,
Sue.
Hi Sue,
I have done a fair bit of research on the Millsons and have Charles 1800 on my tree. Back to his great grandfather, and sideways and forwards with his siblings and other relations.
I am in touch with Leisa. You are right. In the main the machine breakers were political "criminals" rather than what is normally considered as criminals.
My link is mainly in the mid 19th century when the Millsons of Bucklebury and Stanford Dingley intermarried a couple of times into my Sellwoods and Crooks and their related families.
I would love to correspond with you. Sending a private message - click on the green scroll next to the person's name - is the way to exchange email addresses.
I will send one to you.
Regards
Vicwinann
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Hi,
I have recently started to do some family research and come across this site. My Great great grandfather was Joseph Millson, brother of Charles Millson. I visited Bucklebury this weekend and found 3 Millson graves in the churchyard, one of whose was Tom Millson who was the son of another brother, Edward. I was very interested to hear about Charles' deportation to Australia.
I am happy to share further information I have if anyone is interested.
Jo
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Hi Jo
Yes I am interested in what information you have on the Millsons. My grandmother was a Millson from Bradfield. I would be happy to share my information.
Marks Wife
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Hello JLW30
I, too, would be interested in sharing information. The Milsons linked in several times with my Sellwoods and Fishers and other families of Bucklebury.
One of Joseph Milson's descendant's wives also wrote a book about Bucklebury. If you send me a private message I will send you my email address. You will need to have sent 5 posts (I think) before we can do this. Click on the green scroll by my name.
Regards
Vicwinann.
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Hello again,
Thank for your replies. I have a book by Cecilia Millson called Tales of Old Berkshire, this was given to my father by Cecilia over 30 yrs ago together the one called Bucklebury's Heritage which I cannot find at the moment but I shall buy another copy if it doesn't turn up,!!
I have so far traced the family back to Richard Millson of Stanford Dingley who was born in approx 1735.
Jo
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Hello,
I, too, have that book and a couple of others about Bucklebury. Very useful.
I have that Richard Millson bap 1736 was son of Charles Millson and Sarah nee Cripps.
Vicwinann
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Hi Jo
If you make a couple more postings, we can send you a personal message.
My GGG Grandfather was Joseph Millson 1804-18780 so I would really like to share any information you have.
Markswife :)
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Hi again,
Thank you all very much for your replies.
I will make a couple more postings so that we can then exchange personal messages.
I am intrigued as to the documented addresses on the census' 1861,1871 and 1891. They just say 'on the common' .
Does any one know if this means there were houses on the common or were the families in some form of temporary accommodation on the common?
Jo :)
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Hello
This means Bucklebury Common, and yes, there were houses on it, and still are.
Vicwinann
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suemoo2,MarksWife,JLW30 et al,
Although I'm a Barnes, I'm descended from the Millson's via my Fathers mother, Kathlean Millson/m.
My GGG was Joseph Millsom and therefore the "infamous" Charles a GGG Uncle.
I don't know if this link is of any use but it might fill in a few gaps......
http://www.mundia.com/ca/Tree/Family/14591859/138507644
David.
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It was very interesting to read all about Charles Millson. He is my GGG Uncle, his brother Edward being my GGG Grandfather. Thank you everyone for sharing your information. It has been very helpful information for my family tree.
Kind regards
Reg Millsom
(the n was changed to an m by my grandfather William James Millson)