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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: Nickie Stone on Monday 14 June 10 11:46 BST (UK)
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Hi
This is what I have so far:
James ELLIS b 1845 Garside, Sunderland - who married Mary TART b 1845 Pensnett.
Their children were:
Nebo b 1871
Albert Thomas b 1872
Lavinia (might also be known as Dinah) b 13.01.1875 at 7 Priestfield, Bilston
Naomi b 27.12.1876 at 95 John St, Bilston
Talitha Cumi b 1880
Hosea.
Albert Thomas married Selina Bond. These are my great grandparents.
From what we know Naomi was possibly living in London in the 1920's/early 1930's. We also think that Lavinia moved to the Manchester area as her brother Hosea was in the Salford area.
Talitha Cumi married James Steadman.
We've literally hit a dead end with these people, so any help as to where to turn to next would be much appreciated.
Thank you
Nickie
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Hiya Nickie
Your going to have to expand a bit on what help you need ie census/BMD/descendants or do you want to work backwards from James Ellis?
Give us a clue!
Willow x
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It looks like nebo was born 1870 -not 1871- so you could look up their birth reg's on FreeBMD
on 1871 census Nebo is 8mths old
there is birth reg FreeBMD (which is free for you to view)
Nebo Ellis
Sept qtr 1870
Wolverhampton
6b 578
then it looks like he married twice (not certain of wives' names yet)
Marriage freeBMD
Nebo Ellis
Sept qtr 1894
Wolverhampton
6b 895
(there are 3 males and 2 females on same page)
Marriage
Nebo Ellis
Mar qtr 1929
Coventry
6d 1075
Death reg
Nebo Ellis
Dec qtr1945
age 75
Coventry
6d 776
Suz
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Hosea has middle initial "T" on census
so could this be his birth reg?
Hosea tart Ellis
Dec qtr 1868
Wolverhampton
6b 541
marriage reg
Hosea tart Ellis
Jun qtr 1892
Wolverhampton
females on page
Amelia Cartwright
Sarah Ann Taylor
6b959
death reg
Hosea T Ellis
Mar qtr 1911
age 42
Salford
8d 28
Suz
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Why do you think Lavinia may be known as Dinah?
Census and birth reg she is lavinia???
Birth reg Freebmd
Lavinia Tart Elliss
Mar qtr 1875
Wolverhampton
6b 650
Suz
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Nebo Ellis' 2nd wife was (I think) Gladys I Freeman (married 1929)
I don't know if she was younger than Nebo -but could this be her???
Death reg
Gladys irene Ellis
born 12 July 1908
death reg Jun 2004
age 95
Coventry
A73A
063/1A
118
and could this be her birth reg?
Gladys irene freeman
Sept qtr 1908
Southam
6d 74
????
Suz
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Hi Willow
I'm actually trying to find out about the children of James and Mary. I've got details about the families of both James and Mary, it's their children who are proving a bit elusive.
We've found out the details on the 1891 census:
Hosea 22, Nebo 20, Albert 18 and Lavinia 16 were all living with their grandfather Edwin Tart who was a widower.
In 1871 they were living at 86 Wolverhampton Road, Bilston,
In 1881, George Street, Bilson
In 1891 they were living in the St George's area of Wolverhampton.
Referring to Lavinia possibly known as Dinah - it might be a long shot, but there was a lady always referred to as aunt Dinah and we think it was Lavinia - she might not have liked her own name - it could have been her middle name or it could be just a favourite old lady that the family knew. I'm thinking that we probably will never know.
Thanks
Nickie
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Referring to Lavinia possibly known as Dinah - it might be a long shot, but there was a lady always referred to as aunt Dinah and we think it was Lavinia - she might not have liked her own name - it could have been her middle name or it could be just a favourite old lady that the family knew. I'm thinking that we probably will never know.
Thanks
Nickie
Dinah wasn't Lavinia's middle name -her middle name was Tart!!! I don't think you would refer to her as "Aunt Tart"!!!!
Is the information posted so far -new to you??
Have you checked freeBMD for marriages , deaths
Bear in mind some of the birth reg's are in the name of "Elliss" instead of "Ellis" -so you will have to check both spellings
Suz
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Suz
Yes thank you, this information is new - and a bit overwhelming.
I think Dinah might be a red herring, but someone was always referred to as aunt Dinah. Would children have been told to call a friendly neighbour "aunt" like they sometimes do these days? I had two aunties that were no relation at all, so I'm guessing that this could be the case here.
Thanks again for your help.
Nickie
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nebo Ellis married mary Rice
will give more details in a mo
Suz
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it looks like the 2nd marriage I posted of nebo Ellis to Gladys irene Freeman - is the marriage of Nebo 's son also called nebo!!!
Suz
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here we go
Nebo Ellis b 1870 married mary Ann Rice -sept qtr 1894 Wolverhampton dist
here they are in 1901
Franchise St
Wolverhampton
Nebo Ellis head M 29 Cycle Wheel Maker Staffs
Mary Ann wife 25 Staffs
Winifred Irene daughter 2 wolverhampton Staffs
Clarice Lavinia daughter 1 Wolverhampton Staffs
RG13 202 73 18
by 1911 they were living in Coventry
we cannot post details of 1911 census -it may be worth you purchasing credits and looking at the image of 1911 - there are various family members with them - it is worth viewing the image -and not the transcription -as it has been mistranscribed
they had a son Nebo Ellis
details shortly
Suz
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it seems Nebo Ellis and mary Ann Rice had the following children
Winifred Irene Ellis birth reg FreeBMD Jun qtr 1898 Wolverhampton 6b 611
Clarice lavinia Ellis c. 1899/1900 Woplverhampton -birth reg not found
James Ellis c. 1902 Wolverhampton birth reg Sept qtr 1902 Wolverhampton 6b 736
Nebo Ellis 1904 Wolverhampton birth reg FreebMD Jun qtr 1904 Wolverhampton 6b 628 - it seems it is this Nebo who married Gladys irene freeman in 1929 - Gladys Irene died 2004. nebo died 1979
Death reg
Nebo Ellis
born 18 April1904
death reg Mar qtr 1979
Coventry
33 033221
Nebo (senior) and Mary Ann Rice also had
Constance c. 1906 Coventry
and
Florence c 1908-possibly she was Florence Emily Ellis birth reg Dec qtr 1908 Coventry
-mother's maiden name Rice -Sidney 1917 and Raymond 1911
there are also children born Coventry -surname Ellis =
Can't go further forward as we do not post details of (possibly) living
Suz
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Hiya
Further information off FreeREG http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/Search.pl
baptism 23.1.1870 High Street Primitive Bilston
Osea and Nelis Ellis parents James Ellis & Mary Tart living Priestfields occ Forgeman
Marriage 2.6.1868 St Peters Wolverhampton
James Ellis 23 bat Dudley Street Puddler father Thomas Ellis Puddler
Mary Tart 23 spin Dudley Street father Edwin Tart Tailor
witnesses Henry S Clarke & Mary Price
Willow x
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Hi
Thank you both Suz and Willow for all the information that you've provided me with. It is fantastic. I've now got to try and get my head around it all.
Thanks again,
Nickie
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I'll give you a little rest and possibly come back with more info tomorrow
Suz
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ALBERT THOMAS ELLIS;
Marriage, December 1891, Wolverhampton, 6b 1002
On same page possible spouse, Selena BOND
1901 Census
Davis Buildings,
Pearson St,
Wolverhampton, Staffs
RG13/2672/13/17
Albert T ELLIS, 28, Head, Mar, Stocktaker/Ironworks, born Bilston, Staffs
Selina Ellis, 28, Wife, Mar
Amy Ellis, 7, Daug
William H Ellis, 3, Son
All others born Wolverhampton
Trish :)
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1901 Census
Davis Buildings,
Learson St,
Wolverhampton, Staffs
RG13/2672/13/17
Albert T ELLIS, 28, Head, Mar, Stocktaker/Ironworks, born Bilston, Staffs
Selina Ellis, 28, Wife, Mar
Amy Ellis, 7, Daug
William H Ellis, 3, Son
All others born Wolverhampton
Family still in Wolverhampton Staffs in 1911
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Hi Ladyhawk
Albert and Selina Ellis nee Bond were my great-grandparents, They had a daughter Amelia in 1903 who was my gran. The family still live in Wolverhampton.
Thanks for your input.
Regards
Nickie
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I think the address should read "Pearson" Street. I don't know of any Learson Street in the All Saints area of Wolverhampton.
Tony
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Thanks Tony :)
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Hi
Thanks for all your help yesterday.
We think we might have found the marriage for Lavinia Tart Ellis to a John Slater from Mansfield. Just checking it out now. Only leaves Naomi uncounted for in the marriage stakes.
Nickie
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I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this thread. I am descended from Mary Tart, James Ellis's wife. Mary had a son before her marriage to James, Ezra Tart. He was baptised, along with his half brother Hosea Tart Ellis, 23 October 1870 Bilston High Street Primative. They were resident in Priestfield Bilston. ( ref Freereg.org.uk). Mary and James were married at St Peters Wolverhampton 2 Jun 1868 (also freereg.)
In the 1871 census Mary, James, Ezra, Hosea Tart and Nebo were res with Mary's parents. RG10 Piece 2952 Folio 80 Page 17.
In the 1881 census Ezra and Hosea were still res with their grandparents RG11 Piece 2805 Folio 105.
I have more details if you want, also contacts through GRunited.
Hosea Tart Ellis m. Amelia Cartwright jun 1892 Wton 6b 959
Nebo m. Mary Ann Rice sep 1894 Wton 6b 898
Albert Thomas m. Selina Bond Wton Dec 1891
Talitha Cumi m. James Richard Steadman jun 1900 Wton 6b 965
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Welcome to Rootschat desertsands,
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Found Naomi in the 1891 census. Domestic servant with the Davies family.
35 Reeds Wood Road, Walsall Foreign. RG12 Piece 2252 Folio 20 Page 33.
I too cannot find anything for her after that.
Grandfather Edwin Tart, died in Westbury-on-Severn Union Workhouse, 4 May 1894 from Dysentry.
Uncle Edwin Tart, died in the workhouse (now New Cross Hospital) 1919, burial 19 Feb 1919, Merridale Cemetry, Wolverhampton
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Welcome back Desertsands,
See you've added more info. hopefully Nickiejs will be back here soon, and may be able to offer you help :)
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Found Naomi and Samuel Morris in the 1901 and 1911 census with son Thomas (1900),
Just can't find a marriage for them though.
Mill Street, Bilston
RG13 2691 49 21
RG14PN17125 RG78PN1054 RD369 SD7 ED14 SN299
This may be Naomi Ellis, Bilston is the right area for the families.
Found a marriage for Samuel Morris and Naomi Lewis 27 Mar 1898 Ettingshall Staffs
Dudley 6c 55 1898 Mar
Could there have been a mistake with Naomi's maiden name or is this just wishful thinking.
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Hi I think I might have some useful information for you about the Ellis family. My mother and her sister are the surviving grand children of Tolitha Cumi and James Steadman, there was another sister and a brother now sadly passed away. My Mother and Aunt still live in the Wolverhampton area. Tolitha Cumi died in the 1970s She lived for many years in Blakenhall , Wolverhampton, James died before the second world war having been in the boar war and 1st war. Aunt Dinah (Lavinia) did exist we visited her a few times when we were children She lived in Waterfoot near Manchester Her surname then was Cartwright and she was a widow. My late Aunt used to visit Jim Ellis and his family in Coventry until their deaths and his Sister Florence emigrated to Australia with her husband Lou and their children. Jim and Florence were the children of Nebo jnr. Nebo snr died during the bombing of Coventry the family were bombed out twice during the blitz and walked to wolverhampton with a young baby to seek refuge Hope this was of interest i think i have it right
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Hi All,
I too have a connection with this family. My Great Grandmother was Mary Ann Bond (b. 1878), her sister was Selina Ellis (nee Bond).
Mary Ann Bond married William Robbins in 1903 in Wolverhampton.
If anyone wants more info or has more info to share please shout ;D
Jool
PS. Here's a link to one of my previous posts showing a group photo with William Robbins front centre. I don't know who the other people are, could even be some of the Bond family ???
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498219.msg3550458.html#msg3550458
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Hi Jool and kidles
Firstly, Jool - Thanks for getting in touch, I've PM'd you.
Secondly, kidles, welcome to RootsChat. If you make two more posts on this board then we can PM each other as well.
I'm pleased that you have settled the fact that Aunt Dinah was indeed Lavinia after all, it's something that has been bothering us for a while.
I'm related to you through Albert Thomas Ellis who was Talitha Cumi's brother. Albert was my great grandfather, he married Selina Bond, whose sister Mary Ann is Jool's great grandmother.
Nickie
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Hi all
More info for you about Tolitha Cumi and James Steadman they had two children Florence (Gibbons) born about 1900 died during the war and Harold similar birth date he must have died in the late 1980s I believe his widow is still alive. My mother Vera Brenda her sisters Joan and Beryl and their brother Leonard are the children of Florence. It seems Aunt Dinah (Lavinia) had a cafe in Prestatyn Wales prior to living in Waterfoot if this is any help to tracing her my Mother thinks she may have married twice
Regards Kidles
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Kidles
Thank you so much for all the info you have provided us with.
It now just seems that Naomi is the only child from James Ellis and Mary Tart that is unaccounted for, but I'm sure she'll turn up one day when we're least expecting to find her.
Keep in touch.
Nickie
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Hi Nickiejs
One more titbit for you from my mom she thinks aunt Dinah had 4 children but they did not reach adulthood. As regards to Naomi moms mother Florence and aunt Dinah visited her in London but this would be pre war as Florence died just before the war i hope this may be of help in tracing her mom did not know where in London sorry
regards kiddles
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Hi I think I might have some useful information for you about the Ellis family. My mother and her sister are the surviving grand children of Tolitha Cumi and James Steadman, there was another sister and a brother now sadly passed away. My Mother and Aunt still live in the Wolverhampton area. Tolitha Cumi died in the 1970s She lived for many years in Blakenhall , Wolverhampton, James died before the second world war having been in the boar war and 1st war. Aunt Dinah (Lavinia) did exist we visited her a few times when we were children She lived in Waterfoot near Manchester Her surname then was Cartwright and she was a widow. My late Aunt used to visit Jim Ellis and his family in Coventry until their deaths and his Sister Florence emigrated to Australia with her husband Lou and their children. Jim and Florence were the children of Nebo jnr. Nebo snr died during the bombing of Coventry the family were bombed out twice during the blitz and walked to wolverhampton with a young baby to seek refuge Hope this was of interest i think i have it right
Hi if the young baby was graham Ellis then this would be my father son of nebo and Gladys Ellis who also had two daughters Irene and Shirley' i remember jim and flo going to Australia
so im sure we are part of this family, If I am correct can update you on my side. Andrew Ellis
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It looks like nebo was born 1870 -not 1871- so you could look up their birth reg's on FreeBMD
on 1871 census Nebo is 8mths old
there is birth reg FreeBMD (which is free for you to view)
Nebo Ellis
Sept qtr 1870
Wolverhampton
6b 578
then it looks like he married twice (not certain of wives' names yet)
Marriage freeBMD
Nebo Ellis
Sept qtr 1894
Wolverhampton
6b 895
(there are 3 males and 2 females on same page)
Marriage
Nebo Ellis
Mar qtr 1929
Coventry
6d 1075
Death reg
Nebo Ellis
Dec qtr1945
age 75
Coventry
6d 776
Suz
this sound like my grandad Nebo Ellis if correct could update you on siblings Andrew Ellis
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Andrew
Lovely to hear from you, we are certainly all part of the same family. I hope I have worked it out right that you and I are 4th cousins.
Please post another message on this board then I can pm you.
Nickie
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Andrew
Lovely to hear from you, we are certainly all part of the same family. I hope I have worked it out right that you and I are 4th cousins.
Please post another message on this board then I can pm you.
Nickie
Good to hear from you also my Father name was Graham nebo Ellis who married Denise Elvis who both passed sadly away in their 50's. I am the second eldest Andrew Graham with my older brother Lee, we have younger brother and sister whom are twins Dawn and Dean. we are all doing well and all have children and grandchildren. The twins still live in coventry and Lee lives in kidderminster and myself and my wife Dawn live in winchcombe.
Andy
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Hi Andy
I have pm'd you with some more info on our family.
Nickie