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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: erylthepres on Monday 14 June 10 08:15 BST (UK)
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Very little info about the above, was born in 1901 ( same year that Queen Victoria died). family talk about Downpatrick and entry on postcard mentions Clough or Chough, writing not very clear. Had brother & sister Joseph and Mary Hogg.
His father died when he was young,, became bread winner very young, eventually joined the Inneskillins.
Could anyone help
Eryl
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Have you tried searching the Irish Civil BMD index (http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails&c=fs%3A1408347) for his birth ?
Shane
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There's two possible matches that I see .. one in 1901 and one the year before in the registration district of Downpatrick :
Name: Henry Hogg
Registration District: Newtownards (Co. Antrim)
Event Type: Birth
Quarter and Year: Apr - Jun 1901
Volume : 1 / Page : 811
Name: Henry Hogg
Registration District: Downpatrick (Co. Down)
Event Type: Birth
Quarter and Year: Oct - Dec 1900
Volume : 1 / Page : 494
see the topic Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html) for details on ordering certs etc..
It might be worth searching the 1901 census (link included in the introduction topic) to check for the Henry's parents.
Shane
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There's a place named Clough less than 6 miles from the town of Downpatrick - see : Downpatrick to Clough (http://www.google.ie/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Downpatrick,+United+Kingdom&daddr=Clough,+Downpatrick,+United+Kingdom&hl=en&geocode=FafsPAMdWvuo_ykBUgXORhFhSDHPvvGqnE3mMA%3BFRF8PAMdacSn_ynFgfXcHBZhSDFWKFWmGCrgLg&mra=ls&sll=53.553107,-7.381366&sspn=2.982748,6.954346&ie=UTF8&ll=54.310615,-5.7407&spn=0.046668,0.119305&z=13)
Shane
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Have moved this thread to DOWN board since the county is known.
1911 census has Hogg family in Clough townland- includes Henry (age 10) and a Patrick Joseph (age 7) but no child named Mary.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Clough/Clough/235903/
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This might be Henry's family in 1901 census (taken 31 Mar.1901) in Erinagh townland- baby Henry is 8 months old (see scanned original of page)- the 2nd birth registration in Downpatrick district that Shane found earlier in this thread would likely be his birth:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Downpatrick/Erinagh/1227573/
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possibly the same family in 1901 ?
Hogg Family - Erinagh townland (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Downpatrick/Erinagh/1227573/)
I dont know where Erinagh is... but it seems to be near to Downpatrick
Shane
sorry - posted over you... but we both found the same details...
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john alexander hogg married sarah walker belfast 1899 volume 1 page 469 .
added .
john hogg 11 jan 1879 ballyhanwood down ,
father , john alexander hogg ,
mother , catherine patterson
of course there could have been more than one john hogg married to a sarah .
and more than one john hogg born circa 1877 .
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Thank you all for your kind interest and prompt replies. Given me a lot to think about and need to confer with our relation who is directly concerned. Will come back to you.
Cheers for now,
Eryl
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Henry was a brother to my Grandfather (Patrick Joseph), Their Parents were John & Sarah Hogg
They had 2 other brothers John & Hugh and sisters Margaret Ann & Catherine, they lived in Clough, Co Down
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Welcome to RootsChat, Tina :)
Henry was a brother to my Grandfather (Patrick Joseph), Their Parents were John & Sarah Hogg
They had 2 other brothers John & Hugh and sisters Margaret Ann & Catherine, they lived in Clough, Co Down
So, was your grandfather born in 1903?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01872/1728994.pdf
Hugh Francis was a younger brother of your grandfather and both John and Henry were older.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01691/1671545.pdf
See the 1901 and 1911 censuses for the Hogg family at replies #4 & #5.
Here's the village of Clough and its associated townland.
https://www.townlands.ie/down/kinelarty/loughinisland/clough/
KG
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Yes, that is correct
Parents: John & Sarah
In order, eldest to youngest: John, Henry, Patrick, Margaret, Hugh, Catherine
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Three more siblings born after the 1911 census. MMN McGrath
Twins Mary Jane and James in 1911, Theresa in 1913.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01q9w/
KG
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Thank you
Now I am a little confused, Patrick Joseph Hogg married Mary Hogg (Nee McGrath) (My Grandparents), I wasn't aware there were further siblings (twins), there may well have been
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Mary Jane died in 1911 aged 3 weeks.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1911/05383/4502508.pdf
This presumably was your grandparents marriage via https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/ --
Mary McGrath to Patrick Hogg 16th August 1934 Down
KG
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Awe that is sad
Can you confirm the names of Patrick & Mary's children, for clarification
Many thanks
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Can you confirm the names of Patrick & Mary's children, for clarification
Sorry, unable too.
Data protection legislation in Northern Ireland states that if you are using the internet to search the register, some of the records in GRONI will not be available to view.
Births – from 1864 to 100 years ago (i.e. current day 1921 in 2021)
The marriage was in 1934.
You need to get in touch with GRONI to get a search done. Contact details for ringing or e-mailing GRONI (subject to Covid-19):
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/contacts/contacts-az/general-register-office-northern-ireland
KG
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Thank you
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Original BDM Statutory records can be found for free on www.irishgenealogy.ie
Just make sure you click on the 'image' link when you open a record.
I use it all the time..its free to register too :)
I am researching my HOGG ancestors too
Cheers
Jo
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Hello Tina , I’m researching my family too. My grandad was Hugh Hogg born 1902, siblings were , Mary Sarah, Joseph Henry, Patrick 1908 , then in 1919 twins Francis and Margaret were born. Hughs parents were Joseph and Margaret maiden name Magrath, in the 1911 census they were living in clough besides the family you talk about, I’ve been trying to find out if Joseph and John were brothers, Margaret and Sarah have the same surname too 😬
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
Just linking for others the 1911 census with your grandfather and his parents.
House 6 in Clough Town (Clough, Down).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Clough/Clough_Town/235977/
House and building return - No 6
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002219581/
Presumably this was your gt grandparents marriage in 1901 at Dromara RC Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1901/10305/5751386.pdf
Both Joseph and Margaret living in Gransha townland.
https://www.townlands.ie/down/iveagh-upper-lower-half/dromara/ardtanagh/gransha/
KG
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Hello, thank you for the info , I had struggled to find a marriage record for my great grandparents. On the original 1911 census I noticed that it mentions children living which was 4 and in the next column it says 6 implying 2 children have died, do you know how I can find out more? Also trying to find out if hoggs at number 5 clough are relations? Thanks again 😊
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On the original 1911 census I noticed that it mentions children living which was 4 and in the next column it says 6 implying 2 children have died, do you know how I can find out more?
Thinks it says 5 children born, 4 still living.
Christopher James Hogg born at Clough - 25th December 1910.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01543/1624726.pdf
His unfortunate death at 15 days - Debility from birth - 9th January 1911
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1911/05406/4510517.pdf
KG
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Thank you, very sad . I did find twins born in 1919 too . Hugh is my grandad and weirdly the pattern of his children is similar 1st child born 1928 then 4 more then in 1940 boy girl twins and then 1952 another daughter. Thank you so much for your help. I’m also trying to find more info on the twins of my great grandparents, Francis and Margaret Morgan born 1919 😊
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Sorry to bump this old thread but I just wanted to add my 2 pennies. My grandmother was Sarah Hogg - her parents were John Hogg and Sarah Hogg. I believe she was a (seemingly unknown?) sibling of John, Henry, Patrick, Margaret, Hugh, Catherine, James, Mary Jane and Theresa.
My gran was born in Dec 1914 in Glasgow. Her sister Theresa died around a month before she was born and her mum, Sarah died just a week or so after my gran was born. Records of both of their deaths can be found on the Scotland's People website - www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ (http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/) :)
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Hello Tina , I’m researching my family too. My grandad was Hugh Hogg born 1902, siblings were , Mary Sarah, Joseph Henry, Patrick 1908 , then in 1919 twins Francis and Margaret were born. Hughs parents were Joseph and Margaret maiden name Magrath, in the 1911 census they were living in clough besides the family you talk about, I’ve been trying to find out if Joseph and John were brothers, Margaret and Sarah have the same surname too 😬
Hi Cathy.
I think that Sarah and Margaret may have been sisters. I think I've found the birth record of Margaret and her parents are the same as Sarah (McGrath - sometimes McGraw or MaGraw ::))
If it's right, Margaret was born in 1881 to Hugh McGrath (sometimes with various different spellings) and Annie Morgan. These are the same parents as Sarah who was my great-grandma.
Here is Margaret's birth record: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02833/2038593.pdf
Here is Sarah's: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02957/2083167.pdf
I'm struggling to find Sarah and John's marriage record, and I have no idea the name of John's parents.
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Hi , so interesting, do you live in NI?
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I did find twins born in 1919 too .
I’m also trying to find more info on the twins of my great grandparents, Francis and Margaret Morgan born 1919
Francis and Margaret Morgan born 25 April 1919 at Clough.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1919/01250/1519756.pdf
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Hi yes I was previously aware of their birth but literally hit a brick wall from there , thanks for reply
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Hi , so interesting, do you live in NI?
Nope, I live in Glasgow in Scotland.
I'm about to do a DNA test thingy so if anything interesting pops up about the Hoggs I'll be sure to post it here.
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Just an update:
I was poking around on Scotlands People this evening and found Patrick Hogg's marriage to Annie Coburn in Wigtown which is in Dumfries and Galloway. His parents listed as Joseph and Margaret Hogg (formerly McGrath)
Also today the 1921 census for Scotland was released and I think I managed to find my grandma who was living with presumably an uncle (Henry Hogg) along with his wife and family. There's also a Patrick Hogg listed, so I'm assuming this is Henry's brother. So, all in all - Henry, Patrick and John (my grans dad) are all brothers. I managed to confirm this by looking for their Irish birth records which show their parents as a John Hogg and Catherine Cole.
So, this is relevant part for you Cathy - I know you said you were wondering if Joseph and John were brothers but I can't find a Joseph Hogg born to a John Hogg and Catherine Cole, so it's looking unlikely. They may, however, have been cousins instead?
Hope this isn't too confusing!
Here's the image of Patrick's marriage record: https://imgur.com/a/yaVgk7m
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Hi , so when my uncle originally posted on here, he got my grandads name wrong , my grandad is Hugh james Hogg , his parents Joseph and Margaret ( née magrath) siblings were, Joseph, Mary Sarah, Patrick and twins Francis and Margaret Morgan, so with that in mind do you think it’s the same Patrick?
Regards
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Btw did you do your dna? Did you find any relatives still living in Downpatrick?
I wonder when your gran moved from NI to Scotland? I’m so interested in this but it is hard to piece together.
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Hi Cathy,
Sorry it's taken an age to reply - I ended up getting ill twice with colds. :(
Anyways, about my previous post -- I think the link I sent you to the marriage cert is your grandad's brother, yep.
I also said that your grandad's dad, Joseph probably wasn't a sibling of John Hogg but I think I might be wrong now. Sorry if this is confusing but - John (my great grandad) had a few siblings, one of them was William but William was called William Joseph at birth, so I wonder if he maybe just went by Joseph through-out his life. Obviously I can't confirm this but I do remember poking about in some Irish records and thought of the possibility.
I finally got my DNA back and have been having a look through. I did match with someone who has Joseph Hogg, Margaret Hogg and their son Hugh (born 1902) - Hugh married Ruby Kate Nutting - daughter shown as Kitty Hogg.
I haven't found any matches in Downpatrick as of yet, but will def let you know if I do.
As for my gran, she was actually born in Scotland. She was the only one of her siblings to be born here. Then her mum died around a week after her birth, and I'm not sure what happened to her dad, John - whether he died in the war or went back to NI. But I do know from the 1921 census she was living with someone I assume was her uncle.
I decided to actually do a separate tree for the Hoggs and my findings - I also decided to put your grandad on there where I think he fits - unconfirmed obviously but it's just for a visual guide.
If you have an Ancestry account, you can view the tree here: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/187670513/family/familyview?cfpid=432457388574