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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: otakiri on Monday 14 June 10 02:16 BST (UK)
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The 1851 and 1861 Cheltenham Census shows an Elizabeth Buchanan. Trying so hard to confirm this is my ancestor All I have is my GGrandfather John Robert Buchanan born c 1841-1843 in Dunbartonshire, Scotland to George and Elizabeth Buchanan nee Stewart/Stuart. John Robert came out to Victoria, Australia c1852. His descendants I'm getting my head around, its his ancestors I cant seem to trace in Scotland. Then I came across a George and Elizabeth with a son John R living in Cheltenham 1851, so now the question is do they belong?
Any help ever so much appreciated.
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Why, why, why did you not give decent info.? It would have saved me a lot of time and has made me hopping mad!
Comparison of GB's family in the 1841 Scottish census and GB's family in the 1851 Chelt' census shows common siblings of John R plus the facts of GB being of Independant means in 1841, a landed priproetor in 1851 and all the family born in Scotland.
You will not find much better evidence but please in future help others to help you by giving pertinant but not excessive info.
Regards
Chas
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Thank you Chas for the prompt reply, not sure if you were being facetious but I sent myself to the naughty corner for a spell anyway. As I stated the information I already had (that you confirmed), is not disputed, the question is what information is available prior to this?
Kath
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Well one of you might have posted the relevant census reference numbers at least!
If you have Elizabeth's maiden name, Kath, have you looked for a marriage? Where in Scotland did you find them Chas? I suppose I will now have to repeat your search myself?
:P
(Kath - Chas enjoys teasing us all!)
I have BUCHANAN in Dumbartonshire myself - wonder if we're related, lol?
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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The 1851 census has them mistranscribed in Cheltenham HO107/ 1973/ 977/ 35
I now find myself puzzled as to what you already know and what you need to discover. Have you got shipping records for your John: who is he travelling with, what is his occupation (if any at this stage) and does he travel to relatives?
Apart from the coincidence of names, why do you think the Cheltenham family is yours - do you not have alternatives for his parents on the census yet?
Hoping to help!
Kind regards Arranroots ;)
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Thanks again, Elizabeth's maiden name(from John Robert's Death cert) was Stewart, name recorded as Elizabeth Jane. What info was on the 1841 Scotland Census? Dont have this at all.
It would be so good to have someone else researching this Buchanan line. I have found so many other lines and am getting discouraged! Thought I may have found a marriage for George and Elizabeth but dont yet have the skills to confirm this. Date July 2 1820, Barony, ?Lanark.
Just read your new post. No I have nothing to prove these are John Roberts parents just clutching at straws! On John R's death cert it claimed he had been in Victoria Australia 61 years making him arriving there in c 1852. I know of no others travelling with him or of any other family in Australia at this time.
Kath
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This is the possible 1841 census (possibly the one Chas had in mind?)
1841 census
Arden House, Bonhill, Dunbartonshire
George Buchanan 35 - independent - Scotland
Elisabeth Buchanan 35 - ditto
Herbert Buchanan 10 - do
Grace Buchanan 8 - Dunbartonshire
George Buchanan 5 - do
Anna Buchanan 3 - do
Mrs Mallams 35 - Scotland
John Mallams 3 - do
+ 3 servants
;)
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Meant to ask - have you used Scotland's People to see if there is a suitable baptism for your man?
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I'm not subscribed to Scotlands People
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Kath,
I gathered you needed nothing else. After 34 years in customer QA at various international companies I'm used to assessing requirement specs so perhaps that's my failing - I cannot read people's minds and only see what's written.
Chas
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Chas - please just ask nicely for any information that feel might be missing. Or avoid answering requests that puzzle you. Your replies on this thread are rather hostile. I've amended the one above to include Kath's name, instead if your ??, since she has provided it for your convenience.
::)
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I'm not subscribed to Scotlands People
Hi Kath
That would be a good step for you next - it is pay per view, with credits, so we're all in the same boat.
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Kath, here's a wee bit about Arden House, hope this works!
http://www.valeofleven.org.uk/scottishplacenames/Avale_names.html
The Buchanan's of Ardoch, Kilmaronock Parish, were cadets of Buchanan of Carbeth who descended from Thomas, the third son of the thirteenth Buchanan of that ilk, which will give you a pedigree going back to the dim and distant. Thomas Buchanan Junior & Company, were extensive hat manufacturers in Glasgow (where the Barony is) and Thomas was also a partner in the Ship Bank, founded 1750. He was succeeded by his son John, who was visited at Ardoch by Robert Burns. Various Buchanan families were prominent in the city's commercial life. Buchanan of Drumpellier was the Provost when the Jacobites occupied the city in 1746 and resisted as best he could, for Glasgow was staunchly Hanovarian, Buchanan Street being named after his family. The oldest Highland Society in Glasgow was that of Buchanan. Skoosh.
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That's very interesting Skoosh!
I fear I'm descended from a more humble branch, but maybe Kath is more fortunate!
8)
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AR, a ready made pedigree, no chance in my case I'm afraid. There's a flat up for sale in the present Ardoch House, a cool half mil' Skoosh.
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Thanks to you all. Before I get delusions of grandeur I will need to confirm a few things. I have been deceived before with my Jones line. I know what I need to do now but it seems so daunting.
Where is John Roberts birth record? When did he leave for Australia, where from and was he really alone as I've always believed? Where is the marriage record for George and Elizabeth and was her name really Stewart or Stuart? and if my Buchanan line is so well known how come no one else has researched this line of Buchanan descendents of George and Elizabeth as they had more than the one child John Robert? Oh lordy I'm beginning to rave and thats certainly delusions of an altogether other variety. So off to work for me in the real world. Once again many thanks.
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Kath, here is what I have on these Buchanan's, William Buchanan, grandson of Thomas of Carbeth, bought Ardoch in 1683, his grandson John married (first) Mary, dau' of William Crawford, merchant, Glasgow, by whom he had Thomas b.1733 and other children; (secondly) in 1747, he married Elizabeth dau' of William Buchanan, writer, Glasgow, by whom he had a dau' Frances who mar' John Maxwell of Dargavel, writer, Glasgow and had sons John & William, both in turn, Lairds of Dargavel. Thomas Buchanan was thrice married. By his first wife Margaret, dau' of Moses Buchanan, he had John his successor, b.1761. He was succeeded as a partner in the Ship Bank, by this John who married Elizabeth, dau' of John Parks of Netherton, Worcestershire, by whom he had John, who sold Ardoch; Mary who mar' Robert Finlay of Easterhill in 1810; Margaret & Elizabeth.
Thomas received an award of four guineas from the best dozen of felt hats, from the Edinburgh Society for Arts, Sciences & Manufactures in 1757. A writer is of course a lawyer. Mr Buchanan was MP for Dunbartonshire from1821 to 1826. Skoosh.