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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: WildKiwi on Saturday 12 June 10 21:34 BST (UK)
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Hi
My great grandfather, Mackenzie Hindmarsh, was born in Amble in 1861. I was always told that he died in the London/Surrey area about 1899 but the only entry I can locate is for a death in 1915?
I cannot find a marriage entry for him with my great grandmother, Ada Bird, but do have one for her to Thomas Miles in 1905 - we have been told that this was her second marriage - but wonder now if they were married?
Would appreciate any insights.
Thanks
Wild Kiwi
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Hi and welcome to rootschat
Did Ada marry Thomas under her maiden name of Bird or the married name Hindmarsh? I can't find a marriage in 1905 for either.
Have you found Mackenzie in all the census records? Looking at 1911 might find the one who died in 1915. We can't do look ups for copyright reasons and everyone has to pay to look at the image but you can search the index free.
1911 census tips http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,355239.0.html
Regards
Andrea
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Hi Wildkiwi,
The latest available census seems to confirm that he was still alive (oops, sorry for echo Andrea)
www.1911census.co.uk
Does Ada marry Thomas Miles in her maiden name? Is she Adelaide Maud Bird who marries in Shoreditch? If so, the marriage has her down as a spinster.
:)
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In 1891 he is in Scotland so I suppose they may have married there. Presumably you have a birth certificate for the child that you descend from. Where were they born and when?
Andrea
Oh - perhaps not if Tati is correct. (She usually is!)
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I f only :P
I see Adelaide Maude Miles is living with sons Cyril and Ferdinand Hindmarsh in 1911. Back in 1901, she was shown as married (not widowed), surname Hindmarsh RG13/62 29 50
1905 marriage details:
1st October 1905, St Mark Shoreditch
Thomas Miles, 45, Widower, Commission Agent, 14 Peerless Dwellings, Father Georges Miles (deceased), Silk Dresser
Adelaide Maud Bird, 34, Spinster, 14 Peerless Dwellings, Father Charles Bird (deceased), Doctor
Witnesses Alfred Miles and Andrew John Dickson
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She exaggerated her Fathers profession somewhat ;)
1881 Census
72 Worship St,
St Leonard Shoreditch, London
RG11/384/46/12
Charles BIRD, 38, Head, Mar, Medical Assistant, born Brixton, Surrey
Clarinda Bird, 30, Wife, Mar, born Walwoth, Surrey
Matilda Alice Bird, 10, Daug, born Walworth
ADELAIDE MAUD Bird, 9, daug, born Brixton
Herbert Edwd H Bird, 7, Son, born Walworth
Francis T Cranleigh Bird, 11mths, Son, born Shoreditch, Middlesex
A Family Tree has Charles and Clarinda marrying 3 November 1870.
There is no marriage reg that matches that.
Marriage;
Charles BIRD, March 1870, St Saviour, 1d 169
On the same page is Clara PURSLOVE
Death;
Charles BIRD, March 1885, Shoreditch, 1c 47, Age 42
Seeing your NZ connection are you descended from Herbert Bird who died in Upper Hutt?
Trish :)
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This looks to be him living in lodgings in 1901 census.
4 Ashton Tce, Fulham, London.
Mackenzie Sindmarsh, Boarder, S, 37, Omnibus Driver, b. Northumberland.
RG13/63/91/15
Alan.
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Alan,
this is very intersting and most promising.
Great thanks
Wild Kiwi
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Thank you to everyone for all your help.
Trish,
I think Herbert is the father of my Great Uncle Charlie Bird who we met a few times in NZ.
My connection is Ada Bird my great grandmother, who i did not meet although I believe she lived a long life. She may well have been prone to exaggeration!
Regards
Wild Kiwi
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Dear helpful people
I've given up on Mackenzie's marriage details but would now like to find birth details for his father, John Anthony Hindmarsh born in Amble about 1830 and also marriage certificate with Margaret Mackenzie (obviously Scottish connection). The marriage would have been in the early 1850's. I have some census info but cannot find these two documents.
Thanks again for any assistance.
Wild Kiwi
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Hi Wildkiwi,
The familysearch pilot site (http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch) has this christening:
John Anthony Hindmarsh
3 May 1829 Alnwick, Northumberland
parents William Hindmarsh and Mary
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Someone has submitted marriage details to the IGI on www.familysearch.org
3 Dec 1857 Holyrood And Canongate, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
John Anthony Hindmarsh (father William Hindmarsh, mother Mary Athy) age 29
Margaret Mc Kenzie (father Alexander Mac Kenz, mother Margaret Bain) age 29
Submitted records always need veryfying but at least it gives you something to look for :)
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Tati
you're a gem; one step further on the road, so to speak.
Till the next time
Regards
Wild Kiwi
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Hi Wildkiwi,
The familysearch pilot site (http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch) has this christening:
John Anthony Hindmarsh
3 May 1829 Alnwick, Northumberland
parents William Hindmarsh and Mary
Tati and wildkiwi ,
I live in Amble and have done some of my husbands family tree
As you find births etc under Alnwick it does not mean they were born there
Alnwick is the town where the register office is
Wild kiwi the family name Hindmarch is still around here in Amble
Elizabeth
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Civil registration did not start until 1837 though so any dates prior to that will be in parish records and Alnwick will probably mean Alnwick. The original registers seem to start in 1645.
Andrea
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From 1st July 1837 BMDs registered with/in/at Alnwick Registration District would have happened in the wide Reg district of Alnwick.
The Reg District was divided into three sub-districts, Embleton, Warkworth and Alnwick, saving a bit of shoe-leather for those registering birts etc.
From c1645 St Michael's parish ( C of E ) was only church within the bounds of the Parish of Alnwick. So all C of E folk within the bounds of the parish would have used St Michael's. ( The area of the Parish of Alnwick was extensive, but not as large as the later Registration District of Alnwick)
A new C of E church, St Paul's, starts circa 1846, probably to share the burden of increased and shifting population.
Michael
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1851 Census John HINDMARSH, age 22, born c 1829, Gentleman, is a Lodger in Alnwick with the Hunter Family.
HO107/2419/536/8
Possible 1841;
1841 Census
Bondgate Without,
Alnwick, Northumberland
HO107/828/1/Alnwick
Wm HINDMARSH, 65, Merchant
Margt/Mary, 50
Luke, 35, Merchant
Joseph, 14
JNO, 12
All born in County
( the Margt could be Mary ( large swirl next to name)
Extracted Christening IGI;
William HINDMARSH, 10 October 1773, Alnwick, Northumberland
Father LUKE
Submitted record has Mary ATLEY born 1787, Alnwick, Father JOSEPH
Died 07 November 1850
There are 2 possible death regs on FreeBMD, Dec 1850
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Mary Ann HINDMARSH married George HUNTER, September 1848, Alnwick, 25 185
Not sure how she fits in though maybe a cousin of John.
1851 Census has her born c 1828 Framlington.
HO107/2419/67/3
It must fit somewhere as John is staying with a Hunter family in 1851.
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Elizabeth and Andrea
once again thanks for your help. I've been working on other parts of the tree but will now return to the Hindmarsh section and, hopefully, in the not too distant future, I'll be able to visit Amble etc.
All the best
Wild Kiwi
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Am related to Hindmarsh
Clarinda Married Charles Bird
there children, I have information on,
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Charles Bird, My GG Grandfather was a drugest, not a Doctor
I f only :P
I see Adelaide Maude Miles is living with sons Cyril and Ferdinand Hindmarsh in 1911. Back in 1901, she was shown as married (not widowed), surname Hindmarsh RG13/62 29 50
1905 marriage details:
1st October 1905, St Mark Shoreditch
Thomas Miles, 45, Widower, Commission Agent, 14 Peerless Dwellings, Father Georges Miles (deceased), Silk Dresser
Adelaide Maud Bird, 34, Spinster, 14 Peerless Dwellings, Father Charles Bird (deceased), Doctor
Witnesses Alfred Miles and Andrew John Dickson
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Herbert Edward Hamilton bird My Grand Father
She exaggerated her Fathers profession somewhat ;)
1881 Census
72 Worship St,
St Leonard Shoreditch, London
RG11/384/46/12
Charles BIRD, 38, Head, Mar, Medical Assistant, born Brixton, Surrey
Clarinda Bird, 30, Wife, Mar, born Walwoth, Surrey
Matilda Alice Bird, 10, Daug, born Walworth
ADELAIDE MAUD Bird, 9, daug, born Brixton
Herbert Edwd H Bird, 7, Son, born Walworth moved to New Zealand
Francis T Cranleigh Bird, 11mths, Son, born Shoreditch, Middlesex
A Family Tree has Charles and Clarinda marrying 3 November 1870. I have there Marriage cert
There is no marriage reg that matches that.
Marriage;
Charles BIRD, March 1870, St Saviour, 1d 169
On the same page is Clara PURSLOVE
Death;
Charles BIRD, March 1885, Shoreditch, 1c 47, Age 42
Seeing your NZ connection are you descended from Herbert Bird who died in Upper Hutt?
Trish :)
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Herbert E H Bird
My GreatGrand Father Married Jane Welsh,
She exaggerated her Fathers profession somewhat ;)
1881 Census
72 Worship St,
St Leonard Shoreditch, London
RG11/384/46/12
Charles BIRD, 38, Head, Mar, Medical Assistant, born Brixton, Surrey
Clarinda Bird, 30, Wife, Mar, born Walwoth, Surrey
Matilda Alice Bird, 10, Daug, born Walworth
ADELAIDE MAUD Bird, 9, daug, born Brixton
Herbert Edwd H Bird, 7, Son, born Walworth
Francis T Cranleigh Bird, 11mths, Son, born Shoreditch, Middlesex
A Family Tree has Charles and Clarinda marrying 3 November 1870.
There is no marriage reg that matches that.
Marriage;
Charles BIRD, March 1870, St Saviour, 1d 169
On the same page is Clara PURSLOVE
Death;
Charles BIRD, March 1885, Shoreditch, 1c 47, Age 42
Seeing your NZ connection are you descended from Herbert Bird who died in Upper Hutt?
Trish :)
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Charles Bird, son is Herbert E H Bird sister is Adelaide ?????
Carolyn
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Trish,
I think Herbert is the father of my Great Uncle Charlie Bird who we met a few times in NZ.
My connection is Ada Bird my great grandmother, who i did not meet although I believe she lived a long life. She may well have been prone to exaggeration!
Regards
Wild Kiwi