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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: ian-nz on Thursday 10 June 10 06:58 BST (UK)

Title: Keehner family
Post by: ian-nz on Thursday 10 June 10 06:58 BST (UK)
Hi ,
 Not sure if any one can help me.

My GGGrandmother Elizabeth Keehner born late 1790's I think in Bermondsey married Francis Driesen in 1812 at St Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey. Elizabeth appears only on the 1841 census and Francis is a widower on the 1851 census. Francis was born in Germany.

What I would like to find out is more information on Elizabeth Keehner as I know nothing else about her. There are a number of Keehners in Bermonbsey at this time a Catherine who Elizabeth Driesen was a witness at her wedding. A Mary Ann, an Ann and a Francis Adam. Are they all connected? Brother? Sisters?

I would appreciate any help.

Pauline
Title: Re: Keehner family
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 10 June 10 09:39 BST (UK)
I was just looking in the St Mary Magdalen baptism registers for 1798 for you, looking for Ann Keehner who (as Ann Knebel) was 52 in the 1851 census.

I found this:

Sep 5 born 2 Ann dr of Jacob and Sarah Kenah, stave porter, Johns Street
Title: Re: Keehner family
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 10 June 10 09:49 BST (UK)
Isn't Elizabeth more likely to have been born early 1790s if she married in 1812? Remember that adult ages were rounded down in 5-year bands in the 1841 census.

A 57-yr old Elizabeth DRIESEN (address 4 Raven St) was buried at Wycliffe Congregational Church, Tower Hamlets on 11 Nov 1850.
Title: Re: Keehner family
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 10 June 10 09:53 BST (UK)
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Isn't Elizabeth more likely to have been born early 1790s


Agreed
Title: Re: Keehner family
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 10 June 10 09:54 BST (UK)
I see that the widowed Francis DRIESEN was at 4 Raven St in 1851 (HO107/1545/389/6), so that burial for Elizabeth in 1850 must be the right Elizabeth.
Title: Re: Keehner family
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 10 June 10 10:03 BST (UK)
This extracted baptism from IGI may or may not be relevant:

ELIZABETH KEENER
Christening: 10 FEB 1793   
Mitcham, Surrey

Father:  JACOB KEENER 
Title: Re: Keehner family
Post by: ian-nz on Thursday 10 June 10 10:36 BST (UK)
Thank you avm228 and ShaunJ

You have found more tonight than I have found in weeks.

So it is possible Elizabeth and Ann are sisters with parents Jacob and Sarah.

The dates of the Elizabeth's Christening in 1793 and her age of 57 at her death in 1850 all tie in.

I shall order her death certificate and see what else it says.

Many Many thanks to you both.

Pauline
Title: Re: Keehner family
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 10 June 10 11:02 BST (UK)
The Morning Post of 6 March  1857 has an announcement of the outcome of the Annual General Court of the Governors of the Society of Friends of Foreigners in Distress,

Francis Driesen was among those awarded a pension.
Title: Re: Keehner family
Post by: ian-nz on Friday 11 June 10 00:57 BST (UK)
Hi ShaunJ

Thank you for that. How would I go about getting that article with Francis Driesen mentioned? I know very little about Francis only his occupation was a pork butcher. His age varies in each census so I am not sure when he was born or when he arrived in England.

I realize now why I havn't ordered the death certificate for Elizabeth. On the death index her surname is spelt Druxen and I was not sure it was her.

Thanks once again
Pauline
Title: Re: Keehner family
Post by: ShaunJ on Friday 11 June 10 08:14 BST (UK)
The Druxen entry might well be her but bear in mind that English death certificates do not give a lot of information - nothing about parentage for instance.
Title: Re: Keehner family
Post by: Georginab80 on Monday 26 May 14 00:06 BST (UK)
Hi Pauline,

Francis Driesen and Elizabeth Keehner were my GGGG Grandparents.

My mother is Louise Elizabeth Driesen (maiden name), her father is John Driesen (emigrated from England to Australia after WW2 to marry my Nan, Audrey Joan Lovelock), His father was Robert Driesen, his father was Francis Driesen, his father was John Jacob Driesen and his father was Francis Diderich Driesen born in High Germany in 1781 and married to Elizabeth Keehner in 1812.

I am wanting to try and find anything prior to Francis Diderich Driesen. Have you found anything about his heritage other than the fact he was from High Germany?

Looks like we are related!

Georgina

Title: Re: Keehner family
Post by: ian-nz on Monday 26 May 14 02:06 BST (UK)
Hi Georgina,

Lovely to hear from you and welcome to RootsChat.
Just looking through my records as it has been a long time since I have looked at this side of the family. Your GGG Grandfather John Jacob born in 1831 and my GG Grandmother Mary Ann born 1821 were brother and sister. Mary Ann married Thomas Silvester in 1842 and they had a son Charles born in1859 who married my G Grandmother Martha Maria Gover. Martha and Charles Silvester emigrated to Queensland in 1885 with baby Mary Maria my Grandmother.

I am sorry I cannot help with any information on Francis Driesen before his coming to England.

I do have the death certificates for Francis and Elizabeth if you need them. Also if there is anything else I can help you with please ask.

Pauline
Title: Re: Keehner family
Post by: Georginab80 on Monday 26 May 14 02:14 BST (UK)
Hi Pauline! Thanks for the speedy reply. Oh yes please I would love the death certificates. Isnt it amazing where they all ended up.

Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Keehner family
Post by: ian-nz on Monday 26 May 14 02:30 BST (UK)
Hi Georgina

I have sent you a PM. Lets know if you do not receive it.

Pauline