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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: TOCUMWAL on Thursday 10 June 10 06:49 BST (UK)
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Could any tell me any thing about James Howarth born 1794 england, died 1884 Geelong, Transported to tasmania and married in Hobart.
What happen to his family in england
Tocumwal
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What other information do you have (from the death cert?) - age at death, name of wife and children, years in Victoria etc?. There are several James Howarths in the convict list.
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Hi,
What family? Can you give more details as they may turn up in the England census.
Are you looking for his parents? Or perhaps a previous wife and children?
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Bev
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You can read the digitised information about James HOWARTH - however there are five James HOWARTH's listed and three arrived in Tasmania before 1836.
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=11
There is only one James HOWARTH marriage in Hobart -
HOWARTH JAMES
CADD Mary Ann
18 Jan 1836
At Hobart Reg#3230/1836
However I am wondering if this James also died in Tasmania.
If this death is your James it would appear he was born c1791.
HOWARTH James
Parents unknown
93 years at Geelong 1884 Reg#4610
His burial record does not show on the Geelong Cemeteries website.
Do you have information such as where he was born,parents names and when he was transported, I can't see how you can find anymore about his family in England if he was transported before Sep qtr 1837 [commencement of civil registration] or before Jun 1841 [first census] I think it unlikely you will find any information about a family he may have left in England.
Do you have his wife's or children's names?
Cheers
Cando
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Hi.
I think James ahaowarth born 1794 Rosendale, Lancashire, England, died 1884 Geelong, burial at Whoorel Cemetery, Victoria.
Married 1836 Hobat town to Mary Cadd (Ann Cadd).
They had 8 children births dating 1830 to 1847.
Not sure about this one
1st wife Martha born about 1802 England
could have had 6 children.
Not sure again but could be father James Howarth, mother Mary Ingram
Now I am noy sure about any of this information, or how correct it is.
Tocumwal
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Hi,
There is quite a bit online regarding the family tree of James HOWARTH and Mary Ann CADD. If you cantact the other researchers they may be willing to share the sources of their information with you.
As mentioned by cando, 3 James HOWARTH convicts arrived in Tasmania before 1836. Their Conduct reports make interesting reading.
1821, James HOWARTH (HALWORTH), stated a wife & 1 child at Stockport
1822, James HOWARTH, stated a wife & 2 children at Norland near Halifax. Father & Mother at Native Place of Rosendale Lancaster
1830, James HOWARTH, stated single, mother, Mary, at Native Place of Leeds
Why have other researchers chosen the James from Lancashire? Perhaps they found the Trial records in England and matched them to the reason for Transportation to Tasmania.
You will need to search Parish Registers for baptisms & marriages in England before 1837.
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Bev
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Could any tell me any thing about James Howarth born 1794 england, died 1884 Geelong, Transported to tasmania and married in Hobart.
Hi,
James Howarth & Mary Ann Cadd are my 3rd great grand parents. I decend from their daughter, Elizabeth Lucy Howarth (b.1837 d.1919). I can help with information from this line if you like.
regards,
Jessica Roche
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Hi Jessica,
I am related to Mary Anne Howarth born1831 - 1908. She married Fred Castle. It would be nice to get Elizabeth line. Do you have any photos or stories about the Howarth.
Christine
Tocumwal
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Thank you for the information.
James Howarth is the 1822 convict in Tasmania. His 2nd marriage was to Ann Cadd in Hobart. His first wife was Martha Unknown they had 4 to 6 children left in England. They moved to Victoria. How would I go looking up his parents in England - James Howarth and Mary Ingram.
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I'm looking for info on James Howarth also. He's my wifes ggg.graandfather.
Convicted 11.1.1821 and sentenced to 7 yrs in Van Diemens Land.
Departed Nov 1821 on Phoenix
Arrived 20 May 1822
Married (Mary) Ann Cadd 18.1.1836 (verified) at Penitentiary Chapel, Hobart
I want to confirm the DOB and DOD. So far I have
DOB Jan 1794 not verified
DOD 5.6.1884 not verified
I'm also looking for info on these other facts:
Possible former marriage in England?
Possible other children?
Parents names?
Thanks
Rob
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Hi
All the information you have in the first part is the same as what I have. I am sorry I can't verified his English family.
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Hi Rob,
Welcome to RootsChat
I'm also looking for info on these other facts:
Possible former marriage in England?
Possible other children?
Parents names?
James HOWARTH (Phoenix) and Ann CADD (Sir Charles Forbes) applied to marry in 1829 but were refused until he was able to prove that his former wife was deceased.
A digitised copy of the document can be seen via this index http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=5
James' conduct record states that he had a wife and two children at Norland near Halifax, and a father and mother at his native place, Ros(s)endale Lancaster. It is not clear to me if "a weaver" refers to James or his father.
James' conduct record
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON31-1-18,172,140,L,80
Ann's conduct record
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON40-1-1,380,276,S,80
In 1836 a James HOWARTH and Mary Ann CADD married at Hobart, and the aim would be to show that these two events, 7 years apart, involved the same couple.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-35347-2676-67
I haven't been able to find a copy of James' death cert amongst the family trees I see posted online but you can pay for it and download online on the Vic registry's website and it may provide enough family info (place of marriage, name of wife and children, birthplace) to tie it all together. I can see from the death index that his parents are not named on the certificate.
Finding the correct baptism and marriage for James will likely have to be a best guess during that time period but the parish registers for the Rossendale area would be a good place to start to look for a baptism and burial/death of his parents after 1821.
If his wife was living in Norland, you may find that there is a record of her seeking parish relief if she was left without support. You may also find baptisms for their children, depending on how long they were living there.
Debra :)
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Thankyou Debra for your prompt post. I hadnt seen those sources before so that fills in quite a bit more detail for me.
I'm new at this and enjoying the hunt! Even if others like yourself are doing some heavy lifting for me.
Thanks again.